*****Republican National Convention thread. Let the games begin.*****

a reply to: neo96

Never use ATS as a source . What could that possibly prove?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

I'm not saying his kids do not adore him. That could very well be true. I just do not believe your statement was correct in that his family are a great example for America.

You are going to have to put in some overtime to try and dampen the feeling America is getting that Trump has done a great job with his children.

The "feeling America is getting"? That statement is very odd. What evidence did you use to come to a conclusion about what America as a whole are feeling?

If you said how the Right Wing feels, I may agree, but America in general?

Honestly, you are talking as if you are one of his campaign staffers.

Well keeping to the thread theme, I think both Tiffany Trump and Donald Trump Jr were both amazing last night with their speeches (for different reasons) and were a credit to their parents. That is what America saw last night.

Even on the CNN post conference discussion, Van Jones had to admit that 'Trump has done something right there'.

Trying to dissect what percentage of credit Trump can take vs Marla vs Ivanka is really just a distraction.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: olaru12

For a night that was supposed to be about jobs and the economy there was very little content in that vein.
Instead we had a mock trial and cheerleading with the word job said once and that was in a sentence bashing Clinton.
Then we're treated to Ben Carson implying that Clinton is a devil worshipper.
Clinton or Hillary was mentioned five times to one over the words work job or economy.

Great focus RNC

Tonight :Make America grow again.

Will it be all about Clinton again?
Probably.


99gazillionbillionmillion votes for Hillary.

Clinton allegedly does follow the teachings of Alinsky and reportedly knew him well in the 60's. Carson was just pointing out that her apparent hero dedicated one of his books to Lucifer.

Shocking for sure, but all likely true if you follow the sources already posted.

I don't think Carson said she worships the devil, though others have in the past.

a reply to: olaru12

It's really quite simple ,some wish to shove Trump down the left wings throat after Obama.

a reply to: UKTruth

Ok. Sure.

I don't blame you for avoiding my questions. I'm sure you see how ridiculous your statement was.

"Feeling America is getting"...

a reply to: SonOfThor

Donald J. Trump has been portraying the same character he did on TV while incorporating the darker elements of the Republican zeitgeist of the last decade. More rational, reasonable Republicans don't seem to care for him, precisely because of this ... to them, I'd wager, he represents all of "the bad" without incorporating any of "the good."

Many Americans, at this point, are either rabidly authoritarian, or they enjoy living under a rabid authoritarian. That's counter to everything this country was founded on, and most of what made us great: individual effort and freedom.

I stand mouth agape at all the truly tyrannical things Trump suggests that he will do as Pres ... and then I see many of my friends on the Right here, cheering him on. The character "Donald J. Trump, Presidential Candidate" is not the ego of the Republican party, as so many are claiming ...

... he's the Id.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

Ok. Sure.

I don't blame you for avoiding my questions. I'm sure you see how ridiculous your statement was.

"Feeling America is getting"...

Well at least we can agree that both Trump children were a credit to their parents last night
As the moderators have asked we need to stay on topic, so lets keep it to the two speeches and how they reflected - given that we now agree we can leave it there.

a reply to: UKTruth

Could we be honest that many of Alinsky's ideas have become mainstream at least?

We see them dozens of times each day here in hundreds of posts.

So WHAT if Hillary knew Saul Alinsky ... or perhaps, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

Trump "knows" George Soros, and has benefited greatly financially from deals with him.

Does that disqualify Trump? If not, what's the logic there?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: neo96

Never use ATS as a source . What could that possibly prove?

I didn't use ATS as a 'source'.

I linked to another thread that WAS sourced externally.

LOL geez.

a reply to: Gryphon66

We hate socialist ,hippie, terrorist ,leaders maybe?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Could we be honest that many of Alinsky's ideas have become mainstream at least?

We see them dozens of times each day here in hundreds of posts.

So WHAT if Hillary knew Saul Alinsky ... or perhaps, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

Trump "knows" George Soros, and has benefited greatly financially from deals with him.

Does that disqualify Trump? If not, what's the logic there?

It does not disqualify Clinton at all.
Carson just said one of Clinton's mentors form a young age and a close friend (not just someone she knew) dedicated his book 'Rules for Radicals' to Lucifer.
Whether Carson should have raised it at the conference is another matter. He has said more this morning to Chris Cuomo

thehill.com...

By the way, I agree that Alinsky's teachings are very apparent these days - it would seem the world he wanted is the world we are living in.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

We hate socialist ,hippie, terrorist ,leaders maybe?

Hippie? really? Hello 1972.

I'm sorry, what are you responding to Cav?

a reply to: Sillyolme

I am Pollyanna. But at some point, I must accept reality. Despite having themes, when even usual convention rhetoric could have been used to rally members to that theme, there was no focus on the theme. I no longer expect the GOP to have any meaningful discussion of any theme in the future, neither at the convention nor the campaign season nor afterwards. There is no way the party can govern a nation if they cannot even manage a convention. It's over.

There is a certain altitude for an aircraft at which avoidance of a fatal accident is no longer possible. Cleveland is ground zero for the GOP crash. I had always assumed that in my lifetime, as had been done for the last 150 years, there would always be the loyal oppositions. Its gone.

A fundamental change has occurred in the political system which has been with us from the beginning. It may be we will take another 150 years to overcome this polarization, to right the ship. Or it may be we adjust our system to match the polarization. I don't know.

RIP GOP.

a reply to: Gryphon66

That is a solid analysis. I am keeping my eyes and ears open to his actual speech to close out the convention. I am wondering if he will actually get into details of his platform, or continue his same style of psychological marketing.

Tonight is a big one - Cruz, Rubio, Gingrich... I haven't watched all the speeches, but have heard that some of the speakers barely mentioned Trump themselves, and rather focused on 'the party' and 'winning elections'.

I know of many republicans who are seriously leaning Johnson now, particularly in Virginia, when they went with Rubio or Rand Paul during the primary may be swayed to Trump if the rest of the candidates can provide cogent arguments to do so. Very interested in the speeches tonight.

a reply to: Gryphon66

AGAIN I answered your question.. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

a reply to: desert

I would agree with your sentiment, but I hope that this polarization helps us get away from the two party system. This thread is on the RNC, but I have just as many liberal friends / family members who are incredibly anti-Clinton as well as anti-Trump.

Why not have Johnson and Jull Stein on the debate stage with these two?

originally posted by: UKTruth

By the way, I agree that Alinsky's teachings are very apparent these days - it would seem the world he wanted is the world we are living in.

I would say, rather, that Mr. Alinsky stated some very basic, obvious things about human behavior in groups, that any good politician has known for years.

Have you ever compared Rules for Radicals with The Prince or The Art of War for example?

Alinsky just isn't the demon that he's been portrayed as by the Right in recent years. If Glenn Beck hadn't resurrected him, no one today would even recognize the name.

In my opinion.

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: Gryphon66

That is a solid analysis. I am keeping my eyes and ears open to his actual speech to close out the convention. I am wondering if he will actually get into details of his platform, or continue his same style of psychological marketing.

Tonight is a big one - Cruz, Rubio, Gingrich... I haven't watched all the speeches, but have heard that some of the speakers barely mentioned Trump themselves, and rather focused on 'the party' and 'winning elections'.

I know of many republicans who are seriously leaning Johnson now, particularly in Virginia, when they went with Rubio or Rand Paul during the primary may be swayed to Trump if the rest of the candidates can provide cogent arguments to do so. Very interested in the speeches tonight.

Watch the speeches - all but one mentioned Trump, some extensively. You should take what you hear with a pinch of salt and go to the source material.

The clear headline tonight is Cruz... even though Rubio, Gingrich and Pence will be speaking.
If there is one person most likely to blank Trump it's Cruz, but he is walking a tightrope with his speech. There are a lot of Trump supporters who are not going to go away even if he loses in November... the movement Trump is riding is going to continue and grow.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

AGAIN I answered your question.. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

Oh. Okay Cav.

Thanks.

originally posted by: SonOfThor

Why not have Johnson and Jull Stein on the debate stage with these two?

This should be a legal requirement, in my opinion.

If the American people were reminded that they DO NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS I think we'd see a monumental shift in this country.

I wish the Greens and Libertarians would start working at the Grass Roots level though. My opinion.