Interview with Assad

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: elementalgrove

I believe both sides used chemical weapons, for the record.

As president though, even if he didn't order it, the buck stops with him.

Did he seek out and punish those that carried it out?

Your belief is your belief.

The accustations have been refuted by the people of Syria, the voice that the west simply ignores.

The war that is being waged in Syria is atrocious and the mercenaries are funded and armed with the best technology America can offer. The mercenaries are being brought in through Jordan and Turkey and are slaughtering every group of Syrian people possible.

As I have already stated one must look to who it is that benefits from the slaughter of the Syrian people and we simply need to look no further than the stolen land of the Golan Heights, you know Israel just being Israel, with standard backing from America/UN/NATO.

The players listed in the video I shared earlier are Efi Eitam(former Isreali Commander) DIck Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, Lord Jacob Rothschild, James Woolsey (ex-CIA director) Larry Sumnmers (ex-secretary of treasury) Bill Richardson (ex-governor of New Mexico) and other members of the American government.

Yet we are somehow supposed to expect that the blood of the Syrian people is not on our hands!

If the people of Syria were against Assad he would not have survived as long as he has.

Every word he spoke in this interview is true.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: elementalgrove



I believe both sides used chemical weapons, for the record.



As president though, even if he didn't order it, the buck stops with him.



Did he seek out and punish those that carried it out?

Politicians are no saints,if we investigate any of them there wll be seriouse flaws on each and every one of them.It is just a matter of wanting or not wanting to expose them or use them as tools for propaganda purposes which makes them atractive to their pupet masters at given times.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Well now you're kinda contradicting yourself...You say Assad has survived against the best technology the US has to offer, yet then say if the people of Syria were really against Assad (some really are!) he wouldn't have lasted as long as he has.

And it's not my belief about chemical weapons. Pro Assad forces did use them against their own people. Your own source says this, you realise this don't you! Just because Assad didn't order it, doesn't mean it didn't happen...

That reporter...bloody hell.

I feel like his questions none of his own but rather of somone else's . like a scripted drone . ffs

I remember reading a while back right here on ATS about the fall of dictators ( Houssain, Ghadaffi, Assad) and the establishment of central banks. None of which have/had one in their respective countries.

It's much more complicated in Syria, of course.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Recently even Turkey has changed their attitude and started to work against ISIS in several different ways, which is why Turkey is now starting to be attacked by ISIS.

Lmao... did I call it or what? Turkey government now fighting against a rebel uprising and have begun asking Syrian and Russian governments for support. Even their own soldiers are fighting along side the rebels... and why not when they've been arming and fighting with the rebels all this time in Syria. I see this as nothing but sweet sweet karma.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

So to you chlorine gas is not considered a chemical weapon when used against the people of Syria when inside a barrel bomb...because it is.

And he used it against his people...

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Problem here is what is known came from doctors on the ground not just some western media so no you didn't debunk it, and the fact your supporting the man for doing it by denying it ever happened is very troubling to me.

www.pbs.org...

a reply to: elementalgrove

He didn't get falsley accused his government that he runs used and now get this chlorine gas in barrel bombs...btw it is a chemical weapon...against the civilians of his country.

Which btw he didn't stop using as the attacks happened more than once and was confirmed by those doctors on the ground treating the wounded.

I guess you and a few others are seemingly wanting to dismiss the use of chlorine gas in barrel bombs being used against civilians that didn't come through some phone call...it came from those on the ground who treated the wounded suffering the effects of the gas that was used in barrel bombs dropped from Syrian government helicopters...something those fighting Assad do not have...but hey that must not matter in your defending of a man who did in fact drop barrel bombs with chlorine gas on the civilian population.

a reply to: Chadwickus

I think the problem is when talking about chemical weapons some forget that chlorine gas is also a chemical weapon, and that was being dropped in barrel bombs from helicopters that only the Syrian military are using.

And yes your right both sides have used them, but only one side drops things from helicopters in the form of barrel bombs...and when chlorine gas is in the air after a barrel bomb hits it is pretty certain who was responsible.

Although a few want to defend Assad...he is ultimately responsible for the actions of the government he controls. And no he hasn't sought out those responsible and punished them...at least not on his side.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

An investigation by the Telegraph, comprising testimony from doctors who treated the wounded, relatives of the victims and eye witnesses, has found evidence of the regime’s continued and systematic use of chemical weapons in Syria

So unknown statements from unknown doctors and eye witnesses is enough for you huh? A United Nations investigation made the following conclusions based on witness testimony:

"According to the testimonies we have gathered, the rebels have used chemical weapons, making use of sarin gas," del Ponte, a former war crimes prosecutor, said in an interview with Swiss radio late on Sunday.

"We still have to deepen our investigation, verify and confirm (the findings) through new witness testimony, but according to what we have established so far, it is at the moment opponents of the regime who are using sarin gas," she added.

UN accuses Syrian rebels of chemical weapons use

Or how about a study conducted by MIT, based on much more solid reasoning:

A new MIT report is challenging the US claim that Assad forces used chemical weapons in an attack last August, highlighting that the range of the improvised rocket was way too short to have been launched from govt controlled areas.

In the report titled “Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence,” Richard Lloyd, a former UN weapons inspector, and Theodore Postol, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), examined the delivery rocket’s design and calculated possible trajectories based on the payload of the cargo.

The authors concluded that sarin gas “could not possibly have been fired at East Ghouta from the ‘heart’, or from the Eastern edge, of the Syrian government controlled area shown in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.”

MIT Study Further Destroys Washington’s Syria Chemical Weapons Claim

Or how about a chemical analysis conducted by Russian scientists:

A Russian investigation team obtained samples in Khan al-Asal from 23 to 25 March 2013.[3] On 9 Jul, Vitaly Churkin, Russian UN ambassador, said Russian experts analyzed samples of material they collected from the site of the attack, at a Russian laboratory certified by the OPCW. The report that Russia submitted to UN concluded that sarin had been used in the chemical attack, and that the rebels were responsible for making the sarin and launching the attack. The report was not made public. The conclusions were summarized by Churkin in a press conference at the UN on 9 July
.[6][7][25] A summary of the report was posted on the Russian Foreign Ministry website on 4 September 2013 following the Ghouta chemical attack.[26][6]

Churkin's presentation and the summary on the Russian Foreign Ministry's website made the following claims in support of its assertion that the attack was carried out by the opposition:

# The projectile used in the incident “didn’t contain chemical stabilizers in the toxic substance,” and "does not belong to the standard ammunition of the Syrian army" and its bursting charge was RDX, which is "not used in standard chemical munitions".
# Soil and projectile samples were found to contain sarin and diisopropyl fluorophosphate, which was "used by Western states for producing chemical weapons during World War II." The sarin had been produced recently in "cottage industry" conditions without the use of chemical stabilisers that would permit longer-term storage.

According to Churkin, “It was determined that on March 19 the rebels fired an unguided missile Bashair-3 at the town of Khan al-Assal, which has been under government control. The results of the analysis clearly show that the shell used in Khan al-Assal was not factory made and that it contained sarin”. According to Moscow, the manufacture of the ‘Bashair-3’ warheads started in February 2013, and was the work of the Basha'ir al-Nasr Brigade, a brigade with close ties to the Free Syrian Army.

Khan al-Assal chemical attack - Wikipedia

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

So unknown statements from unknown doctors and eye witnesses is enough for you huh?

Here you go names...

Halabi — who is part of a team of doctors with the Syrian American Medical Society, a U.S.-based charity that runs more than 90 medical facilities on Syria's frontlines — arrived a few days later. Then he risked his life to carry evidence from the attack out of Syria.

As for the UN...

In March of this year, members of the U.N. Security Council were reduced to tears over a video of an apparent chlorine gas attack in Syria. The footage showed desperate doctors trying to revive three young children as they choked to death in the Syrian village of Sarmeen.

And then we seem to have this...

The Syrian-American doctors' network has compiled a detailed dossier on dozens of chlorine attacks since 2013 that it attributes to the Assad regime. Accounts by eyewitnesses say chlorine is dropped from helicopters. The regime is the only combatant that has an air force. And the targeted villages in northern Syria are pro-rebel. Mohammed Tennari — a doctor who has testified at the U.N. Security Council and on Capitol Hill — tells me when we meet at the doctors' network office in Gaziantep, Turkey, that the smell of a chlorine attack is unmistakable. "The chemical gas spreads for a few kilometers — not like barrel bombs that hit one house," he says. "People are afraid about the life of their children and their [own] life."

www.npr.org...

Again you seem to be missing the fact that chlorine is a chemical that has been used against civilians in Syria that were dropped by Syrian government helicopters that the rebels just don't have...

SO I have never said the rebels didn't use a chemical weapon, but you seem to keep wanting to deny the fact that chlorine gas was used and was used in barrel bombs...why is that?

The fact that doctors on the ground are reporting this and you still deny the fact it happened...amazes me.

Syrian doctors to show the US evidence of Assad’s use of chemical weapons

He said as he treated those victims, helicopters dropped two further chlorine-filled barrels. Sams reports chlorine bombs landing in both Sarmin and Qaminas that night, leaving 120 people needing treatment.

The hospital also recorded that Waref Taleb, a local electrician, was killed along with his wife, 65-year-old mother and three young children when one barrel exploded in their home.

Chemical weapons expert Hamish de Bretton-Gordon said he and others working alongside him in Syria had separately confirmed chlorine use from samples taken from the destroyed Taleb family home on 16 March.

www.theguardian.com...

So we have a barrel bomb that killed a family in their house after one hits it, and we have tests proving that chlorine was in fact present at the same house destroyed by a barrel bomb the Syrian government has become well known for doing and you still want to say they didn't use chemical weapons against the civilian population...sorry but that constitutes chemical weapon use.

And there are your named sources.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Once again your sources are far from solid and little more than hearsay.

"There is no doubt that the Syrians are using industrial chemicals, chlorine in particular, in barrel bombs," says Rex Brynen, a Middle East specialist at McGill University. "I think that the open-source evidence is overwhelming."

Open source evidence? I don't see any solid proof in that article showing that the attacks were carried about the Syrian Government. Once again some eye witness reports are not enough to confirm it. I have no doubt some one is using chlorine weapons because chemical analysis shows that, but it doesn't prove who carried out the attacks, and if history is anything to go by then we should refrain from jumping to conclusions.

"I think that I can say with some confidence, Western governments are absolutely convinced that the Syrians are doing this," Brynen says. But Russia, a veto-wielding member of the U.N. Security Council, has dismissed the available documentation as "propaganda."

Lmao, yeah western nations are always absolutely sure of themselves. But let us for a moment assume the Assad regime is responsible for these chlorine attacks, I'm not exactly sure I would be against such attacks because they actually aren't very deadly and aren't banned under the chemical weapons treaty, certainly dropping a bomb would do much more damage, but that would be a-ok in the handbook of moral warfare.

Excerpt from your article about UN guys having a cry:

Chlorine is not a very effective tool. It normally disperses swiftly in open areas, making it of scant use on the battlefield, but it can be fatal if inhaled heavily after exploding in an enclosed space, as appears to have happened in some recent incidents.
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There is also some uncertainty about chlorine's status. It is not in itself designated or banned as a chemical weapon, and bears little relation to sarin or other deadly nerve agents, which Syria has been obliged to destroy or hand over.

EDIT: also I think it's worth highlighting the following statement: "after exploding in an enclosed space". How could it explode in an enclosed space if it was dropped from a helicopter? Did they drop it down the chimney like Santa Claus or something?

originally posted by: lostbook
Here's an interview with Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad. In theis interview he claims that Russia operates on values and the US operates on which deals it can make regardless of the outcome. He also says that Russia is out to destroy ISIS while the US only wishes to manage ISIS and other terrosist groups in the region. This is in the first 15 minutes. I don't have time to watch the full 44 minutes right now but this is my first time hearing Assad speak. Check out the video and let me know what you guys think.

I had no idea that he speaks fluent English. Of course, he's pro Russian and anti US as Syria and Russia have strong ties in the region. What does ATS think about Assad after seeing this interview? Are there others out there like me who have never heard him speak? If so what is your opinion of him now after seeing this video?

www.nbcnews.com...

Well i like him, i don't know why the Americans are trying to oust him, but then again they've done it with several countries already so it's not surprising in the least. This man is a good man, and if the boobie heads in here don't agree, they can jump in the lake, i don't really care.

a reply to: Kapusta

I couldn't agree more!

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I know right?

It's like a country using a couple of nuclear bombs to kill countless innocent civilians to get their message across, it's unthinkable, I mean, what country would do such a thing in what we call civilised society.

a reply to: woogleuk

It's like a country using a couple of nuclear bombs to kill countless innocent civilians to get their message across, it's unthinkable, I mean, what country would do such a thing in what we call civilised society.

Better yet what country would agree with it...

Britain backed use of A-bomb against Japan: U.S. documents

According to the declassified minutes, British Field Marshal Sir Henry Wilson told the meeting chaired by U.S. Secretary of War Henry Stimson that the British government “concurred in the use of the T.A. weapon against Japan.”

“The Governments of the United Kingdom and the United States had agreed that T.A. weapons should be used by the United States against Japan, the agreement of the British Government having been communicated” by Wilson, the minutes said.

www.japantimes.co.jp...

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Once again your sources are far from solid and little more than hearsay.

So the doctors who treated those civilians after the chlorine barrel bomb are far from solid and nothing but hearsay...that is what your saying correct?

People on the ground treating those who are victims of a chlorine gas attack are more credible than anyone else as they are there.

"after exploding in an enclosed space". How could it explode in an enclosed space if it was dropped from a helicopter?

It was dropped through the roof where it didn't detonate until hitting the floor in the house which is an enclosed space.

Not all barrel bombs blow up the same way, as a delay fuse let's the bomb penetrate the enclosed space but then exploding inside the enclosed space.