Stanley Kubrick’s Daughter Has A Message For Moon Landing Truthers

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Thanks...rrrrrrredrum. I have to confess I've only read the book.

originally posted by: Hecate666
"The" Moonlandings are fake/not fake. I hate it. There were quite a few. I believe [just because of knowing what governments are capable of] that the FIRST moonlanding was fake, and all the others were real.

They had 9 months from paper plans to actually go to the Moon in order to get to be ahead of the Russians. In 9 months they designed, build the module and rocket, calculated the flight pathm, programmed the on board computers, developed the materials and then flew there and back without a hitch. < YEAH RIGHT!

Something that we somehow can't replicate today. I heard that NASA needs years [10 was a number I remember] nowadays to plan for a new Moon visit. With all our modern technology and knowledge. Why? Just take the old plans, it worked like a treat...

That's the problem, they really DID have the tech to do it, but how to pass that on without the peeps knowing it?
I'll let you into a little secret, we were both experimenting with nuclear powered craft at the time, i know what those wierd photo's were that Boyd Bushman showed us, i know they had equipment on board Apollo 11 and onwards, that defied currently known physics at the time. ....
Truth is, NASA forgot how to return, they couldnt build a Saturn 5 because they lost the plans!(well kind of on purpose i might add) but do you still have faith in this system? I dont....that pic from Boyd was us fishing a very expensive part of a fusion reactor out of the sea, and i'm talking 1960 or before...

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: ColdWisdom

I watched about a dozen videos of his speeches/him speaking, and it fooled me. The face is close too...at least to my eyes.

On the subject of the moon landings...I'm pretty torn. I don't think we're capable of doing it today. Not sure how we did it back then.

We have the technology today to drop an SUV-sized rover on the surface of Mars without damaging it. We certainly have the technology today to land a person on the moon, just as we did back then.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Hecate666

They had 9 months from paper plans to actually go to the Moon in order to get to be ahead of the Russians. In 9 months they designed, build the module and rocket, calculated the flight pathm, programmed the on board computers, developed the materials and then flew there and back without a hitch.

So you are under the impression that they landed in 1964? I think you need to read at least a little history.

I did not put down dates, you came to the conclusion somehow yourself. Probably going by the first russian trials. I meant from a time where it looked as if the russians were actually getting ahead very quickly.

In 1966, two cosmonaut training groups were formed. One group was commanded by Vladimir Komarov and included Yuri Gagarin, and was to prepare for qualification flights of the Soyuz in Earth orbit and a Proton-launched cis-lunar mission (Gagarin, Nikolayev, Komarov, Bykovskiy, Khrunov; Engineer-Cosmonauts: Gorbatko, Grechko, Sevastyanov, Kubasov, Volkov). Komarov later died in the Soyuz 1 spaceflight when his parachute malfunctioned causing his capsule to smash into the earth at high speed. The second group was led by Alexei Leonov and concentrated on the landing mission (Commanders: Leonov, Popovich, Belyayev, Volynov, Klimuk; Engineer-cosmonauts: Makarov, Voronov, Rukavishnikov, Artyukhin). As a result, Leonov has the strongest claim to have been the Soviets' first choice for first man on the moon. After Komarov's death in Soyuz 1 in 1967, Gagarin was taken out of training and the groups were restructured. Despite the Soyuz 1 setback, the Soviets successfully rehearsed the automated docking of two unmanned Soyuz craft in Earth orbit in 1968 and with the manned Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5 joint mission in early 1969 tested the other key mission elements. A total of 18 missions were related to the N1-L3 project.

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You can check the dates there yourself. The russians were very advanced in 1968 [I still don't know where you got 1964 from - but hey] I am sooooo sorry it is from wikipedia as it must be completely wrong of course. Sod history.

originally posted by: Hecate666
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Hecate666

...You can check the dates there yourself. The russians were very advanced in 1968 [I still don't know where you got 1964 from - but hey] I am sooooo sorry it is from wikipedia as it must be completely wrong of course. Sod history.

I'm just guessing, but he probably got 1964 from this in your post:

They had 9 months from paper plans to actually go to the Moon in order to get to be ahead of the Russians. In 9 months they designed, build the module and rocket, calculated the flight pathm, programmed the on board computers, developed the materials and then flew there and back without a hitch. < YEAH RIGHT!

Project Apollo formally began in 1963 (although NASA had already began early manned lunar mission feasibility work prior to 1963), so "in 9 months" would be 1964. Then again, I'm not sure what your "9 months" is representing, so maybe I'm misunderstanding that.



While the Soviet Union was advanced in many aspects of going to the Moon, such as manned flights into Earth orbit, they could not get the most important part of the necessary hardware to work -- the N1 rocket. The N1 rocket had many failures, and something that large would be required to lift the heavy manned Moon mission equipment into space and into a trans-lunar trajectory. The Soviets could never get the N1 to work.


By the way, you also mentioned this in a excerpt:

...Despite the Soyuz 1 setback, the Soviets successfully rehearsed the automated docking of two unmanned Soyuz craft in Earth orbit in 1968 and with the manned Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5 joint mission in early 1969 tested the other key mission elements.

...And that is true. However, while the Soviets successfully achieved a rendezvous and docking in orbit in 1968 (manned docking in 1969), the U.S. did it two years earlier in 1966 with the manned Gemini missions. Gemini IX in June of 1966 was the first mission to successfully dock with another craft.

The success of the Gemini Missions is considered by some to be the turning point in the "space race", and was definitely a turning point in the Moon race.

a reply to: Hecate666

You can check the dates there yourself. The russians were very advanced in 1968 [I still don't know where you got 1964 from - but hey] I am sooooo sorry it is from wikipedia as it must be completely wrong of course. Sod history.

Project Apollo was officially started in 1963, so, if your nine month figure is correct, they must have landed in 1964. In fact, the research began during what you would call the Great Patriotic War: scientists needed to know how human beings functioned at high altitudes and under high acceleration. The Germans had been developing rocket technology then as well.

The Soviets were initially hopelessly behind America's Germans until Sergei Korolev convinced Nikita Krushchev that ICBMs were an economical alternative to the long range bombers the Soviets were unable to produce. Sputnik was never more than a publicity stunt intended to score a political victory. In fact, all of the USSR's vaunted firsts were desperate attempts to one-up the United States, which was pursuing a well structured program focused on the steps necessary to accomplish the over arching goal of putting men on the Moon by 1970.

The Soviet Union also had ambitions in this direction, but, ironically, competition between Korolev and a rival rocketeer prevented the program from proceeding in an orderly, coherent fashion.

But then, as you said of your own philosophy: sod history.