The Narrow Gate and the Road Few Find

a reply to: pthena

Yeah, GoT isn't for kids, there is nudity. Better keep young eyes preoccupied.

originally posted by: Wombocracy
a reply to: NOTurTypical

If you think you are going to get me involved in your hyperactive argumentative b.s. debates you are out of luck.

Anyone who resorts to "That's a bad translation" has automatically admitted defeat.

Because my translation doesn't suffer from any problems of translation and your whole argument hinges on that you are out of luck.

How is that admitting defeat? It's a fact there are two lines of manuscripts, the Alexandrian line and the Antioch/Byzantine line. We already know that the Alexandrian line of manuscripts were deleting things they didn't agree with. I gave the example of the last 12 verses of Mark. They don't appear in the Alexandrian codecies, but they appear in the Byzantine MSS. The Alexandrian MSS are 4th and 6th century works of literature, but both Irenaeus and Tertuillian quote from those 12 verses in their 2nd century commentaries. Meaning they were expurgated from the text in Alexandria, not added to the text. Irenaeus and Tertuillan weren't clairvoyants.

Now follow that down to Westcott and Hort, they translated the Greek into the works that all modern bible versions are based on today, and their persuasions were Gnostic/Roman Catholic/Theosophy. They rejected many things from Christian orthodoxy and had contempt for the majority text, the Textus Receptus MSS and instead used obscure Alexandrian MSS that were known since early times to have been tampered with in Alexndria.

The Byzantine MSS does not say the road is hard, that's a mistranslation, either on purpose or ignorantly. Jesus never said the road was hard, in fact as I showed from other passages, Jesus said His burden was light and His yoke was easy. Easy and hard are exact opposites, the only people that teach the road is hard are people trying to teach that we are justified by works.

a reply to: pthena

there is no such thing as the kingdom of Grace.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I could be wrong, but I think only 6 kingdoms are mentioned. Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of Darkness, Kingdoms of this world, Kingdom of Judah, and Kingdom of Israel.

Where is a verse reference for this alleged "Kingdom of Grace"?

a reply to: NOTurTypical

That is what I have been asking the Bible mentioned nothing of the kingdom of grace, that was wombats idea and the first to bring it up in this tread.

could you link a address tot he kingdom of darkness.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: NOTurTypical

That is what I have been asking the Bible mentioned nothing of the kingdom of grace, that was wombats idea and the first to bring it up in this tread.

could you link a address tot he kingdom of darkness.

Yeah, I just did a search of "Kingdom of Grace" in Blue Letter Bible and got 0 results:

There are no concordance results for "Kingdom" AND "of" AND "Grace" in the KJV.
Browse through the various dictionaries here.

a reply to: ChesterJohn


Kingdom of darkness is satan's kingdom/authority of his fallen angels and demon spirits.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

but which of the scriptures states the kingdom of Darkness?

I found power of darkness but no kingdom of darkness.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: NOTurTypical

but where in scriptures does that state the kingdom of Darkness?

I don't think it says "of darkness", but we know Satan has a kingdom he controls of his principalities, powers, fallen angels, demons because when the Pharisees said Jesus had a demon He told them a kingdom divided cannot stand, that Satan wouldn't divide his own kingdom.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

Calvary Chapels Blue letter version is not whole and complete word of god either. It has missing verses and changed words as well as the other 350 plus versions.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

I understand. I try and use terms and statements found in the preserved word of God so that no one can say that is not in the Bible. i.e. rapture, trinity etc . . . . are examples of terms not found in the preserved words of God.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

similar to Wombats claim to another poster that a verse he quoted was an allegorical parable. No where in scriptures can we find a parable that is allegorical he created the term himself. It is opinion and has no basis in facts or scriptures.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Calvary Chapels Blue letter version is not whole and complete word of god either. It has missing verses and changed words as well as the other 350 plus versions.

I've never heard of a Calvary Chapel translation. What is that?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: NOTurTypical

I understand. I try and use terms and statements found in the preserved word of God so that no one can say that is not in the Bible. i.e. rapture, trinity etc . . . . are examples of terms not found in the preserved words of God.

Well, Trinity isn't, that's correct. It's an English theological term, but the rapture is in the Bible, it's just a carry-over from the Latin Vulgate. Rapimier in Latin. When ppl say

"The word rapture isn't in the Bible!" I say, yes it is, look at your Latin version. Lol. The Greek word is "harpazo", is simply means "caught up/snatched up".

a reply to: NOTurTypical

But it is not transliterated into the Preserved English bible today. It (harpazo) is translated "caught up" unto him in the clouds. That is where the Greek word Harpazo is but God preserved it into English as "caught up" not a transliteration from Latin, Rapture.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

lets focus on Wombats claim that I said Kingdom of Grace. I never said that and claims I did. But the only one to mention is it is him. So he is in error and not only there but on everything he has shared form the OP on.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: NOTurTypical

But it is not transliterated into the Preserved English bible today. It (harpazo) is translated "caught up" unto him in the clouds. That is where the Greek word Harpazo is but God preserved it into English as "caught up" not a transliteration from Latin, Rapture.

The AV or KJV is a word for word translation, in Christianity we affirm that the originals are inerrant, I.E. the Hebrew and the Greek. There are a few errors in translation in the KJV, but they're known. The KJV translators still inserted/translated their beliefs into the text in certain places. It's minor, but there was a slight anti-Semitic stream.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: NOTurTypical

lets focus on Wombats claim that I said Kingdom of Grace. I never said that and claims I did. But the only one to mention is it is him. So he is in error and not only there but on everything he has shared form the OP on.

I dunno, tell him to quote you.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: NOTurTypical

But it is not transliterated into the Preserved English bible today. It (harpazo) is translated "caught up" unto him in the clouds. That is where the Greek word Harpazo is but God preserved it into English as "caught up" not a transliteration from Latin, Rapture.

Then I guess if people don't like he word rapture they can just call it the "catching away of we who are alive and remain".

Rapture is shorter IMHO.

a reply to: Wombocracy

"Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

"But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him."

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

"I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep."

"She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."

"for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."

"For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;"

"We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world."

"Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad."

"even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep."

"For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."