Coming out of Egypt

a reply to: Raggedyman
It is the ol' Padawan back at it again.

Don't feed the trolls

a reply to: Wombocracy
First Padawan gnosisisfaith, you posted no scriptures so why are your here making use of the Bible Literalist taking thing literal when no Bible was even quoted. You claim Exodus but no chapter or verse. Generalizations a case they do not make.

This is you standard MO and it baits but has no merit.

Everyone let's not feed this troll any longer. He has been banned so many times and back again that by now you should be able to recognize his Motus Operandus

I believe that the child genius Jesus was taken to Egypt to be educated in the Wisdom of the world. Alexandria would be my first guess, but since we are left without so much as an Apocryphal text to tell us it is just a theory.

It can not be proven wrong or right, but I think it is healthy to imagine that Jesus was doing something besides building houses with his dad.

The word carpenter, would be better translated architect (tekton I believe). In ancient speak this is a noble position, and Jesus was noble and it would have been common for him to receive the education of a nobleman.

But anytime in the Bible anyone is mentioned as going to Egypt there is almost always a tragedy linked to it. Joseph was sold into slavery. Jacob and his other sons driven by famine go to Egypt for grain. Jesus and his parents went to avoid the wrath of Herod.

Egypt is a place of great mystery and wisdom.

I will not address personally anyone who uses the word troll and seems soured about life in general (to the point where me talking about spirituality is something that motivates creepy comments from people who are clearly not spiritual).

I have no desire to participate in your negative b.s. and every intention of freely discussing spirituality. I will theorize, connect dots and draw conclusions and don't need your approval.

If you don't like spirituality you are not being forced to listen to it. If you don't like what I say same thing.

Because I can assure you if I read so much as one negative comment from you it will be the last and you will not get a reply. I am not forced to listen to you and won't.

So Egypt being a metaphor for wisdom and mystery, if you have something to add to that, is the topic. Coming out of Egypt a metaphor for emerging from spiritual bondage.

Spiritual bondage is a perfect way to express what I mean.

a reply to: Wombocracy
No Opinion makes facts unless backed with facts and so far you have none so how could anyone remark about your obvious biased and unsound conclusions.

You best register a new ATS user name because it wont be long and once again you will be banned.

a reply to: Wombocracy

Originally posted by Wombocracy
So Egypt is used to convey the message that these people received spiritual guidance that made them standouts from their contemporaries. But there is a danger to this sort of spiritual wisdom and it could turn out disastrous if not properly done or undertaken by the spiritually unprepared.

I believe you’re correct; Egypt was the place from which the initiates learned their knowledge from…

But I’m curious, what type of danger are you specifically referring too…?


- JC

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: Wombocracy

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Wombocracy

Being instructed in Alexandrian wisdom? He was 2 years old when he left Egypt, He was only being instructed in how to put together two word utterances and potty training. Joseph only took them to Egypt until Herod was dead.

I said during the time he was 12-30 I believe that he was in Egypt, not when he was 2.

He wasn't in Egypt from 12 to 30, he was in Galilee. Joseph moved back to there when Herod died.

You must be the only person in the world who knows that for certain because it's a mystery to everyone else in the world.

I am just theorizing. For you to say he was in Galilee not Egypt as if you knew for sure I find hilarious. Theories are one thing, but stating them as fact is foolish.

I think I will stay with my Alexandria theory being that Alexandria was the melting pot of knowledge in those days. Galilee on the other hand was nothing special at all.

I can't picture Jesus spending all that time in one village. He would have gotten pretty bored and that just sounds lazy for the Son of God to just sloth around for 18 years when he could be doing something good.

a reply to: Joecroft

I don't know if you are familiar with mysticism but it is said that if you are unprepared you can go mad or die.

You will find a story about 4 who try and have a vision like Enoch's in the Talmud. Only one succeeds and sees heaven. I think 2 go mad and one dies trying.

To put it in earthly terms people decide to study the Bible and join a church. Having no knowledge they are vulnerable to whatever it is they are taught and end up adopting a mind numbing slavish approach to religion and become golems for the church. Essentially losing the soul they were trying to know and understand.

Brain washing is very subtle and very effective and churches are experts at finding people who will do their will. And making people who are willing. Without the proper knowledge the Bible can be used against someone as a tool for instilling fear. This is even possible for the lone student to do to their self if they don't know how to use a book so multidimensional.

a reply to: Wombocracy

Gnosisisfaith, it is not a mystery except to you.

He was two when they went to Egypt, A few years later they moved back . He was twelve when he was left at Jerusalem debating with the priests when Joseph and Mary found him. From that time one he went back to Galilee and obeyed them until his ministry to Israel.

The only reason it is a mystery to you is because YOU HAVE NEVER READ THE BIBLE enough to know it well enough to comment on it truthfully. You only parrot your youtube teachers.

You have gone mad with to much study.

I think it tiresome but I will say again, Jesus in Egypt from 12-30 is a mystery. I think it is left that way to create an aura of mystery. Contemplating this mystery and picturing Jesus in Egypt is great meditation and spiritual exercise. Imagination is healthy.

People are imagining, for instance, that I have been talking about his earlier years in Egypt as a baby. I was clear about what I was theorizing and never said anything that should be thought of as referring to his time there as a baby.

So I think what I am using my imagination for is healthier than what said people are because I am not Jesus. Imagining things about me is pretty dumb. Lol.

I will keep my thoughts focused on more interesting things. Like Jesus being in Alexandria from ages 12-30, and what he learned there.

What he taught even. After all there was a lot of scripture about Jesus in Egypt and he was more popular there than in Rome or Jerusalem.

Let the spear shakers shake. Feeling it necessary to gauge my thoughts and present them in a way meant as ridicule is accepted by me as a high compliment, an honor.

ELevate me with your aggression and hostility because all negatives can be made to produce positive by the Elementary nature of good vs evil.

a reply to: Wombocracy

I understand most of the concepts, but i also have to remind me of that i am also from the animal kingdom.. Suppressing natures behavior will only make your mind a battlefield for demons and angels, where the winning side keeps your soul..

You dont need an extreme towards one side to nurture the concept of humanity, maybe going out in to the woods, running and screaming can do more good than doing a yoga class, Sunday church or praying five times a day...

I dislike when people use the divine message in their own interpretation cause it fills a purpose in their life... The New testament holds a universal divine message. Its not a message you can alter to fit your purpose or meaning in life... You place ideals where there is none.. You place patriarchs where you see fit..

You read the scripture using your set of beliefs and subjective truth..

a reply to: tikbalang

I just try to stay on the middle path that leads to the narrow road.

The Divine message is Universal. It is also personal. A difference exists between creating your own interpretations and finding real ones that have been written for that reason.

a reply to: Wombocracy

There is no "own interpretation" to a divine message.. Its there, its not going anywhere.. It doesnt change, it will never change in our universe..

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: Wombocracy

There is no "own interpretation" to a divine message.. Its there, its not going anywhere.. It doesnt change, it will never change in our universe..

Ye of little faith. I would not be so quick to underestimate God's ability to speak through scripture to an individual.

I never advocated, just explained creating your own interpretations is different from what I am talking about.

And I said that I was talking about meaning that is not well known.

My focus is on the hidden meaning written into the text by the authors. That does exist.

a reply to: Wombocracy

Ye of little faith?

I believe that a commoner will fall to the original sin,

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: Wombocracy

Ye of little faith?

I believe that a commoner will fall to the original sin,

Don't take it personally it is just an expression.

I don't even believe that the concept of original sin is true.

But why just a commoner? Rich people immune or something?

a reply to: Wombocracy

You dont believe in the original sin?

wow,wow...wow..

There is a fantastic 13 set piece by Euclid called Elements, written in 300 BC.. He was a philosopher in Egypt, Alexandria..
It was a adopted by the reformation during the renaissance in 1482..

The Gutenberg bible was printed in 1455 when the first working printing press came along, where we also got our formation of our modern alphabet.. About 150-180 copies were handed out to the Aristocratic members of Europe..

The renaissance modernized the word of God and adopted the word of humanity and reformed the Church to fit a modern tone.. and now to the point; Dante wrote a poem called;" The Divine Comedy " and the sins..

The bible state;

1. A proud(vain) look
2. A lying tongue
3. Hands that shed innocent blood
4. A heart that deviseth wicked acts
5. Feet that be swift in running to mischief
6. A false witness that speaketh lies
7. He that soweth discord among brethren

Associated with the King Solomon.

1 Γαστριμαργία (gastrimargia) gluttony
2 Πορνεία (porneia) prostitution, fornication
3 Φιλαργυρία (philargyria) avarice
4 Ὑπερηφανία (hyperēphania) hubris – sometimes rendered as self-overstimation
5 Λύπη (lypē) sadness – in the Philokalia, this term is rendered as envy, sadness at another's good fortune
6 Ὀργή (orgē) wrath
7 Κενοδοξία (kenodoxia) boasting
8 Ἀκηδία (akēdia) acedia – in the Philokalia, this term is rendered as dejection

They were translated into the Latin of Western Christianity (largely due to the writings of John Cassian), thus becoming part of the Western tradition's spiritual pietas (or Catholic devotions), as follows:

1 Gula (gluttony)
2 Luxuria/Fornicatio (lust, fornication)
3 Avaritia (avarice/greed)
4 Superbia (hubris, pride)
5 Tristitia (sorrow/despair/despondency)
6 Ira (wrath)
7 Vanagloria (vainglory)
8 Acedia (sloth)

These "evil thoughts" can be categorized into three types:

lustful appetite (gluttony, fornication, and avarice)
irascibility (wrath)
mind corruption (vainglory, sorrow, pride, and discouragement)

Ill give you a reference to a broadway musical about the virtues also;

The seven deadly virtues, those ghastly little traps
Oh no, my liege, they were not meant for me
Those seven deadly virtues were made for other chaps
Who love a life of failure and ennui
Take courage—now there's a sport
An invitation to the state of rigor mort
And purity—a noble yen
And very restful every now and then
I find humility means to be hurt
It's not the earth the meek inherit, it's the dirt
Honesty is fatal, it should be taboo
Diligence—a fate I would hate
If charity means giving, I give it to you
And fidelity is only for your mate
You'll never find a virtue unstatusing my quo or making my Beelzebubble burst
Let others take the high road, I will take the low
I cannot wait to rush in where angels fear to go
With all those seven deadly virtues free and happy little me has not been cursed

As i told you, use it as dogma, then you are an extremist..

a reply to: tikbalang

Yeah I am familiar with scripture, and I have carefully concluded that original sin is meant to make people feel unworthy and in need of salvation.

It is a Pauline doctrine and I don't agree with Paul on anything.

Nothing in my faith has anything to do with dogma. I never even said anything close to dogma.

a reply to: Wombocracy

The idea that the sin nature passes to all people by way of genetics through the man isn't an invention of Paul, that was the reason there was a virgin birth. It was declared in the garden in Eden. The Messiah would come as a seed of the woman, that's an oxymoron, the seed comes from man.