Well this is idiotic

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Abolish? No, not outright anyway. Erode? Absolutely and for the last 100 years. If it wasn't guns it would be something else.

www.romans322.com...

See guns W A Y down on that list? You are being taken for a ride by the MSM.

a reply to: Dizrael

If the topic bores you, then why are you here? To insult the other posters?

It's important. Changes are going to have to be made, and discussions are the way to begin. Any change begins with a "talking phase".

I don't have time to sit here and beat a dead horse either, but this horse isn't dead. Maybe with some posters here. But they will see as time goes by, they are on the wrong side of history. We must get guns out of the hands of those who intend to do us harm.

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You guys please rethink what you are defending. Nobody wants YOUR gun. We are tired of the Orlando's, and Columbines, and San Bernadino's, and Sandy Hook's. I've had enough, haven't you? We might not be able to stop it, and certainly we can't prevent them all, but dammit! We can try. We have to try.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting


ETA: I see that you posted the federal law concerning unlicensed (but legal) sale of long guns, so you do know that much. My apologies for the assumption. This does not, however, change the fact that you are citing the ultra-minority of cases in order to make your case, which is a terrible tactic without much logic behind it.



Apparently some of YOU don't understand gun laws--federal or state.

Let's start at smartgunlaws.org, shall we? Keep in mind that the seller in the video was a PRIVATE SELLER, presumably not a licensed FFL dealer:

SUMMARY OF FEDERAL LAW:

MINIMUM AGE FOR GUN SALES AND TRANSFERS:

Unlicensed persons may sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a long gun or long gun ammunition to a person of any age.

BUT, scrolling down on that page reveals that there are 12 states (on that incomplete list) that do not mandate an age of at least 18 years of age for purchase of a long gun (which means that they default to the federal law, and in this case, governing an unlicensed private seller, is a person of any age). So, unless he was selling that particular long gun to that particular 13-year-old in one of those particular 12 states, he appears to be breaking state law. Of course, since the video references that he is from Virginia, I will assume that the gun show as also in Virginia; Virginia just so happens to be one of those states that defaults to federal law for private gun sales, because it does not specify an age limit for purchasing long guns or handguns except through licensed dealers.

Also, a good side note to mention is that there is an age minimum for purchasing ammunition, which for a long rifle is 18, handgun is 21.

Well, here is the link to the Virginia State Police so that you can read it all for yourself. Also, Virginia state law governing transportation of a firearm by a minor only pertain to certain firearms (handguns or "assault firearms," of which the bolt-action .22 rifle in the video is neither), meaning that his carrying of and transport of the rifle is perfectly legal. § 18.2-308.7

So, we have a 13-year-old who legally (per federal AND state law) purchased and transported a .22 rifle, but has no ammunition for it to do any damage and cannot legally purchase any without the help of an adult, getting people all up in arms (no pun intended) over a perfectly legal situation.

See what ignorance causes? So, of course he's going to be able to purchase the firearm because it's legal in Virginia to do so (I'm sure that the producers chose Virginia just for that reason, since CNN is headquartered in Atlanta, GA)...it's not legal to purchase any of the other things when you're under 18 (or 21, with the beer). So it was a rigged "experiment" (as you call it) from the get go, with zero variables and the outcome already known before it started. That's not an experiment, that's propaganda trying to pull the wool over the eyes of ideologues full of ignorance concerning firearm laws (which, coincidentally, are only an internet search away).

Apathy--keeping America dumb for about 100 years.

Also, in most states, it's legal to leave a 12-year-old alone at home, where there are presumably lighters, and stovetops, and knives, and power tools, and all other kinds of potentially deadly things around. The difference with firearms is that dramatic majority of people who would allow their children to own and use one teach them ad nauseum about the safety aspect of the weapons and then keep them locked away in a safe where the key is not accessible to the child. Your manufactured fear over the age of the individual is a strawman, tantamount to screaming, "But what about the kids!?"

Also again, in case you're misinformed, it is perfectly legal to sell firearms at a gun show and not be a licensed dealer, but the ATF will be scrutinizing you quite strictly if you do. Here is the information about FFL for gun sellers, straight from the ATF's mouth.

Can we end the overdramatic concern, now? Can we stop with the what-ifs? Can we stop with the assumptions? Can we stop with the hyperbole?

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Any I would ask you to reconsider ripping up the U.S. Constitution.

a reply to: shredderofsouls

Well back in the day we all had guns, all the guys I hug out with had them around age 12,we used to go to the river.

Nothing unusual

Isn't it odd that back when we were young and young people went out shooting and hunting there were less mass shootings?

a reply to: Stormdancer777

I wonder if it was boys letting off steam or just stronger social values.

a reply to: Konduit

There are checks, but CNN just conveniently left that part out.

well that is true for FFl dealers not so for private sales.

but i bet dollars to doughnuts, CNN edited out the part where his mother was standing with him when he first started looking at the gun. you can't watch the video and not see it had been edited.

here is the law for minors in VA

It is a crime for any person to sell, give or otherwise furnish a handgun to a minor if he has reason to believe that the buyer or recipient is under 18 years of age, unless such transfer is made between family members or for the purpose of engaging in a sporting event or activity. A person under 18 shall not possess or transport a handgun or assault firearm.1 This prohibition does not apply to a minor in his own home or on his property or on the property of another with prior permission, while accompanied by an adult while hunting, at a range or firearm educational class, and while transporting an unloaded firearm to and from such activities.
Virginia Gun Laws

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Stormdancer777

I wonder if it was boys letting off steam or just stronger social values.

true, and we didn't have the restrictions kids have today, today you can't let kids out of your sight

a reply to: JinMI

Any I would ask you to reconsider ripping up the U.S. Constitution

See? This is the kind of ridiculous rhetoric these conversations degenerate to.
We are so impressed with your patriotism. You are so much more patriotic than I? Interesting assumption.

"Ripping up the Constitution". That is so laughable.

A flare for DRAMA? Indeed. Burst into song with "Grand Ole Flag", might make you feel proud.
Then go read about what happened to 100 innocent people in Orlando, Florida, and sing it as you read......

Could it have been prevented, or at least reduced the number of victims? I guess we'll never know as long as you outstanding 'patriots', refuse to let go of antiquated gun laws. Gun laws that no longer serve us well.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Can we end the overdramatic concern, now? Can we stop with the what-ifs? Can we stop with the assumptions? Can we stop with the hyperbole?

Slapmonkey, the overly dramatic concerns seems to be coming from you guys. I've already been accused of wanting to "rip up the constitution" which is beyond ludicrous.

I don't think asking adults to think like adults is too much to ask.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

antiquated gun laws

Yes it is quite antiquated, and for a damned good reason.

Then go read about what happened to 100 innocent people in Orlando, Florida

lets not forget what we take for granted

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
Slapmonkey, the overly dramatic concerns seems to be coming from you guys. I've already been accused of wanting to "rip up the constitution" which is beyond ludicrous.

I don't think asking adults to think like adults is too much to ask.

So, who are the "you guys" to which you seem to think I belong.

The absolute point in posting what I did was to show you that every single thing that is shown in that "experiment" (your claim, not mine) had a known outcome because the laws were already on the books--and I would further point out that the producers most likely already knew that, and chose the state purposefully for the type of misleading video that they could produce (and did) that would enflame those ignorant to the laws.

It's a backhanded tactic and is about as a deplorable type of journalism that a news organization can do.

I did not accuse you of doing anything with the Constitution, and I'd ask that you only address me specifically, as I don't really care about nor endorse what others in this thread are saying to you. I'm only concerned about my conversation with you, at least at this moment, so please discuss what I said on its merits alone, and don't bring anyone else into it--that's a deflection technique that my 12-year-old does.

The bottom line is that you created a few what-if scenarios that, in this particular instance, mean nothing to this video. THAT is why I'm calling to stop the hyperbole around things like this. A gun was legally purchased by a teenager whose mom was present.

Big. Deal.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

So I see your prefectly ok with dragging this right into the mud. Ok. DId you read the list I posted? Don't ANY of those massive deaths strike you as equally important? I'm doubting it because almost NONE of those topics are discussed about here or anywhere.

You've demonstrated your lack of knowledge of firearms and the laws already on the books and pertaining to them but so quick to trample upon the rights of millions of other legal gun owning Americans. YOU ARE SCARED. TERRIFIED even. You are willing change, alter, modify...INFRINGE upon a founding tenet of our country.

But by all means, if it helps you sleep to focus on guns instead of the much larger problems our country is currently facing, be my guest.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

seems to me you are the one displaying ridiculous rhetoric.
you do realize that CNN carefully edited that piece and chose that state to show their leaning don't you? if not your blind as a bat.

also you do seem to be displaying "A flare for DRAMA?" but i guess that's what a writer does in order to try and convince people of their "ridiculous rhetoric" and believe all that they are saying.

displaying ridiculous rhetoric and a flare for drama, skills both journalists and writers need to try and persuade people into their line of thinking.

and just a reminder this video comes from the Network that tried to make it sound like George Zimmerman called tryvon a _____g _____n, then back tracked as people called them on it. saying that it now sounds like he said cold, but we wanted to let the viewer decide.

how can anyone put stock into what they report, i use them for a source when breaking news happens because many members here won't go to other sites. but other than that CNN sucks.

some things i want to point out, you never see the kid pull the money out of his pocket, you never see the man hand the gun to him, you never see any things but hands. and if you look at the sleeves, their different in a couple of shots. the only time you see the rifle in his hands, is when he picks up it off the table to leave and the man is turned away from him.

so tell me how do we know the kid bought it.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: shredderofsouls

Anyone who is denied that combination of vices is the absolute last guy that needs a damn gun!!!!

Get this kid some porno and a pack of smokes before he kills someone!!!! Are you nuts!!!

He obviously needs some kind of release so get him one that doesn't kill other people please. At worst all you'll need is a carpet cleaner that way.

You give me hope that common sense lives!

originally posted by: shredderofsouls

originally posted by: JinMI
More propaganda because guns are SCARY ! ! !

It is not about "guns are scary". How does it make sense to you that society has deemed children not old enough to buy those other things or to make a decision about sex/abortions but a deadly tool, hey no problem.

And at the age of 18 you can enter the military, have a REAL assault rifle, be in charge of multi-million dollar equipment, and swear an oath to kill people if ordered to. But you cant buy alcohol or cigarettes... I dont see much of a difference other than the fact that in the video his parent is with him and that is what makes the transaction possible.

You do understand that a .22 and a .223 round are nearly identical in diameter, right? That's what the caliber references--the diameter of the actual bullet (in inches). The casing length, diameter, and powder capacity is NOT what is referenced in the caliber number, nor is the length of the bullet--it really is just the diameter.

I'm guessing that you don't know that a .380 and a 9mm are also the same caliber, do you? The .380 can also be referred to as a "9mm short." The bullets have the same diameter, but nothing else is the same.

Just because your picture shows the massive difference in the totality of the round does not negate the reality that the calibers of the bullet--you know, the little lead thing that actually leaves the barrel--are for all intents and purposes, the same.

Obviously and you guessed way wrong I know that quite well been shooting since I was 13 and I've owned weapons in just about every caliber except for the rarer stuff like 13mm gyrojet,11mm pinfire,or 8mm Nambu,but that wasn't what that post was about though .22 and .223 have the same diameter .223/5.56x45mm is much more powerful(especially with JHP,JSP,and other expanding ammo),just like .380 is considered the minimum CCW while the much more powerful 9mm +P is recommended.

Though you do know that comparing .380 to 9mm isn't quite the same comparison,the amount of power a .223 has vs a .22 really isn't comparable,the only thing comparable is the size. .380 +P+ would most likely be equal to standard pressure(non +P or +P+) 9mm.

a reply to: SlapMonkey
Don't get me wrong, I am aware that a .22 can be a mean round.
The .223, even though it is the same diameter, has a lot more kinetic energy.
It will sting you bad.
Trust me.