Barack Obama says women should not be shamed for having sex while men get a pat on the back

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: FriedBabelBroccoli

The survey is attempting to measure sexism where it is present, it doesn't assume it is present everywhere.

By the definition they provide for sexism being triggered, essentially all intersex relations lead to sexism against women.

Sub-components and dimensions

Social psychologists have suggested that sexism may be inherently different from other forms of ambivalent prejudice, in that there is interdependency between women and men in social structures.[11] A central argument to the theory of ambivalent sexism is the idea that there is a complicated balance of power between men and women, such that men have structural power and women have dyadic power (stemming from dependence between two people). Dyadic power reflects the notion that men depend on women to fulfill certain goals, such as heterosexual intimacy and childbearing. Glick and Fiske assert that men's dependence on women is what fuels benevolently sexist attitudes, leading to idolization and the placing of women on a pedestal.[3] In other words, power relationships between men and women foster an ambivalent form of bias towards women.

Theoretically, each form of sexism is composed of three subcomponents: paternalism, gender differentiation, and heterosexuality.[1] Paternalism reflects views of women as underdeveloped adults, providing justification for men to be authoritative and monitor, protect, and make decisions on women's behalf. Gender differentiation promotes the assumption that biological differences between males and females justify the strict adherence to socially prescribed gender roles. Heterosexuality—described as the most prominent cause of men's ambivalence toward women—reflects a tension between genuine desires for closeness and intimacy and a fear of women attaining power over men through sexual attraction.

Within hostile sexism (HS) and benevolent sexism (BS), the three subcomponents serve distinct functions. Dominative paternalism (HS) suggests that men should control women, while protective paternalism (BS) implies that men should protect and care for women. Competitive gender differentiation (HS) bolsters men's self-confidence (e.g., men are superior to women). Complementary gender differentiation (BS) places importance on traditional gender roles for women (e.g., mother & wife) and assumes that men depend on women to fulfill these roles. Lastly, heterosexual hostility (HS) views women as sexual objects for men's pleasure and promotes the fear of women's capacity to manipulate men by engaging in or withholding sexual activity. Intimate heterosexuality (BS) romanticizes women as having sexual purity and views romantic intimacy as necessary to complete a man.

Can you provide an example of any relationship in which a power dynamic does not take place?

-FBB

What Obama is saying is so fugging positive it's amazing anyone is complaining about it.

I shouldn't be surprised though. Haters are gonna be haters.

This idea that men are placed on a pedestal by society for having lots of sexual partners is a myth. Younger/middle aged men that flirt a lot are considered sleazy at minimum, those who manage to get lots of no-strings-attached sex are labelled as womanisers, misogynists or sexists.

In fact, these days, promiscuity among women is more often than not seen as normal and is celebrated as "liberating" for them.

Speaking of double standards: why is it cool for women to express their sexual frustration when their hormones build up, but for men to do the same makes them pigs?

a reply to: FriedBabelBroccoli

Can you explain how your bolded text indicates that sexism exists everywhere?

I think when two people are comfortable in their own skin power struggles don't happen, it seems so in my first hand experience anyway.

One of the things I agree on. Hypocrisy should be stamped out.

All of this crap is in the MIND. It becomes real only if one believes it is. Such a petty concern, it's a shame people waste half their useless lives worrying about this sh't. If you don't believe me, ask a Buddhist Monk. They're more at peacethan anyone i've ever met.


Pain Love and all the inbetween is but a Sensation. Nothing More.

a reply to: awareness10

Pain Love and all the inbetween is but a Sensation. Nothing More.

actually it's just a bunch of electrical and chemical processes occurring in a body. pain and probably most other feelings, are really a combination of many sensations being felt all at the same time, which with the use of meditation can be broken down, tracked, and cut from your awareness, thus either alleviating the pain or at least changing the sensation to something that is more bearable.

a reply to: skunkape23

Gotta love those entrepreneurial women. Recognize a need and fill it.

a reply to: eletheia

Not too long ago friend. Not too long at all.
I had a child when I was still a teenager . I was not married and it was the 70s.
My own mother told me I was ruined. No man would want me because I was used.
It was a common ideology.
In the fifties many men believed women couldn't have orgasms.
If she liked it she really wasn't a nice girl.
This also was common ideology.

I'd say ask an older person but most are too hung up to talk about sex except to pass judgement.

a reply to: dawnstar

Thankyou for that cool analysis!

a reply to: dawnstar

And nuts and bolts and rubber and steel are only what they are too.

But put em together and they can make a sports car...just saying.
You can reduce these things to chemicals ans electrical impulses but what happens in our heads is way more than that.

Reminds me of the saying, "A slut is simply a woman with a man's standards."

originally posted by: Talorc
I like how with these issues between the sexes, everyone just assumes it's a social issue and has no root in biology and evolution. But apparently, the whole transgender thing is entirely rooted in biology. Odd, that.

The reason promiscuous women are shamed and trashed is because promiscuously lowers their value as a mate. Think about it--- the imperative for men is to "spread their seed", try to spawn the most offspring so that his genetic line isn't extinguished. A woman who is promiscuous and sleeps around is a liability for a man in a monogamous relationship; she might be cheating, and there's that possibility that the offspring aren't his own. Therefore, there's the risk that his genetic line might fail. Of course we have tests now that can determine the father of kids, but that's a new thing. This is all rooted in biology and instinct.

I think that women should start being more rational about this stuff and less reactionary and emotional. There is a rational, evolutionary reason why you are shamed for being a whore.

Science is not politically correct.

a reply to: shredderofsouls
In ancient times when men are the only bread winners, it may have been natural that men demand women's purity. But in modern society where both men and women are bread winners, the old standard seems to be a bit hypocritical. But I guess it depends on mutual agreement. Still honesty is the best policy.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So women should shamed for noncompliance with this social "norm"?

Nope, I believe I said before that men should be shamed as well. Equal treatment, etc.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Nope, I believe I said before that men should be shamed as well. Equal treatment, etc.

Why shame anyone?

a reply to: shredderofsouls

This comes from a long history of man working and women staying at home. The idea is that the women should do as the man wishes, while the man must have some freedoms after all he is working his ass off. Thus, going to strip clubs, topless bars and the odd sleeping around. Obviously, this is not ok. However with that distilled into men and women, it is the reason why still men feel like its owed them, women like they are taking more then they deserve.

I would say....

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Black_Fox

Why do people need comment on what people label themselves with?

Because it's how we roll as a society, labels are everything.

Right from birth people are labeled and other people respond to those labels. It's how we discriminate, or choose how we work with, hang out with, and also start a family with.

If we didn't comment on labels we would be mindless drones. On the other hand critical thinking has gone out the window regarding label responses and has been replace with a bunch of emotional dramatic knee-jerk reactions ( Jerry Springer Live), so to speak.

I think people put too much thought and care into what other people think/say about them.

You can't shame someone who doesn't care about your opinion.

But I agree with the idea that this outdated, stone aged idea.... of women are whores because they do what they wish, with whom they wish, while men get high fived for every notch they get in their belts..... needs to change.

How come when a women sleeps with a lot of men, she's a slut

But

When a guy does it, he's gay?