Gun store owner: We called FBI before Orlando shooting

a reply to: neo96

His travel to Saudi Arabia. The home of ISIS.

And the FBI 'found' no terrorist connections.

What the hell ever.

Yeah, doesn't sound they were looking too hard... but I'm sure they had their best agents on it... their best deaf, dumb and blind agents.

originally posted by: YukonJuan
technically at the time a crime hadn't been committed yet so I'm a little upset about these gun shop owners racial profiling the guy. I'm sure the whole time he was there he was given dirty looks and made to feel uncomfortable. Its these types of people who drive these people to do what they do. They make them feel less than human and if they no longer value their own life how do you expect them to value the life of a stranger.

nevermind the fact the racial profiling was spot on....

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Seems everyone is ignoring due process, individual rights, and the failure of Obama and Hillary to combat ISIS.

The rest of the world doesn't seem to be doing such a great job either.

Isn't this a world issue?

originally posted by: Annee


The rest of the world doesn't seem to be doing such a great job either.

Don't care.

Isn't this a world issue?

Who cares? Are you just trying to absolve Obama of responsibility?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee


The rest of the world doesn't seem to be doing such a great job either.

Don't care.

Isn't this a world issue?

Who cares? Are you just trying to absolve Obama of responsibility?

NO.

I'm a globalist, you're not.

Guess that answers it.

a reply to: Annee

Yeah. You are for that one-world somethingorother.


Not me.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Annee

Yeah. You are for that one-world somethingorother.


Not me.

We, humans/earth, are kinda insignificant in the universe.

Its kinda stupid, actually very stupid, that we don't work together to protect our world and evolve more significantly then what we've done so far.

Carl Sagan Pale Blue Dot: www.youtube.com...

The Latest: FBI confirms prior contact with body armor shop

The FBI is confirming that agents spoke last month with a Florida gun shop where Orlando shooter Omar Mateen asked to buy body armor and about 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

But the FBI says store employees did not provide any information about him, preventing "any meaningful investigative follow up."

a reply to: Boadicea

I knew this "story" wasn't all that it is cracked up to be when he did not lose his job after being investigated by the FBI.

For TEN months!

originally posted by: Boadicea
The Latest: FBI confirms prior contact with body armor shop

The FBI is confirming that agents spoke last month with a Florida gun shop where Orlando shooter Omar Mateen asked to buy body armor and about 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

But the FBI says store employees did not provide any information about him, preventing "any meaningful investigative follow up."

It's on ATS yesterday, and now this??

I call BS they couldn't do anything...Smh, literally.

originally posted by: lovebeck

originally posted by: Boadicea
The Latest: FBI confirms prior contact with body armor shop

The FBI is confirming that agents spoke last month with a Florida gun shop where Orlando shooter Omar Mateen asked to buy body armor and about 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

But the FBI says store employees did not provide any information about him, preventing "any meaningful investigative follow up."

It's on ATS yesterday, and now this??

I call BS they couldn't do anything...Smh, literally.

What exactly do you want them to do? An investigation needs some kind of information to go anywhere. No name, no personal information, crappy surveillance video. So they have a generic physical description annnnd....what, exactly, that gives anything to go off of?

originally posted by: lovebeck
a reply to: Boadicea

I knew this "story" wasn't all that it is cracked up to be when he did not lose his job after being investigated by the FBI.

For TEN months!

That definitely got my spidey senses tingling... but it was when I learned that he had "handlers" and had been introduced to "informants' that I knew it was hinky as hell!

a reply to: lovebeck

I call BS they couldn't do anything...Smh, literally.

I don't like giving the feds any more credit than absolutely necessary, but I'm not going to pick on them for this.

One poster suggested the FBI could have looked up known persons of interest that matched his description for the guys to look at... I don't know how practical that would be, but it's something. It would have been nice if the parking lot had cameras and could have gotten the license plate, at the very least the make/model of the vehicle.

Perhaps this event will inspire improvements. But sometimes crap happens. We cannot prevent every eventuality.

originally posted by: Boadicea
The Latest: FBI confirms prior contact with body armor shop

The FBI is confirming that agents spoke last month with a Florida gun shop where Orlando shooter Omar Mateen asked to buy body armor and about 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

But the FBI says store employees did not provide any information about him, preventing "any meaningful investigative follow up."

Lotus Gunworks has said it turned Mateen away because it did not carry the style of body armor he wanted and referred him elsewhere.

The obvious question is:

Where is the "elsewhere" ?

Was there a sale ?

originally posted by: xuenchen

The obvious question is:

Where is the "elsewhere" ?

Was there a sale ?

Awesome catch, Xuen, and excellent question. That went right over my head when I read it. D'oh! But I bet the feds were smart enough to ask...

If they stopped him showing the laws work they could not push for new laws.

a reply to: Boadicea

I'll take this thought a bit further considering I've had time to ponder the possibilities. Regardless of your views, we now live in an atmosphere of danger. While we should not fear or change our day-to-day activities...we should be aware. Maybe what the people need and the police, FBI, CIA should provide is a "100 Most Wanted" or maybe one for each state. A website where pictures of individuals who are suspect of terrorist affiliations can be posted for the people, the gun store owners and anyone interested can peruse.

We have to realize that we have been thrown into a situation we have never had to face by a government that doesn't care about the people. Maybe we need to help ourselves and our local police..who by the way, are our friends and neighbors. A non-PC list of those who are "people of concern" based upon facts. They were or are on a no-fly list. They have visited a area of the world well known for terrorist conversion.

I know this is a touchy idea and needs a hell of a lot of thought and consideration, but if we know for a fact that terrorist attacks are the new norm (thanks Obama...yes...I had to say it) there is no reason we shouldn't be vigilant and pay attention. We have it for Megan's Law...why not for potential terrorists?

Personal note: While I expect the left of us to start crying profiling...profiling is what is now required due to the actions and in-actions of your president. We know there are terrorists here...we know more are coming. There is no logical reason not to be informed and vigilant. This isn't something we wanted...these are the cards we were dealt. And now we should be prepared. No vigilante justice, no violence...just simple preparedness.

What do you think?

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
a reply to: Boadicea

So if Mateen was listed on the FBI watchlist back in 2012 I can understand him being a possible threat, but the gun store employee I'm assuming was unaware of that. The employee then refused to sell Mateen any amunition because they heard him speak arabic? Isn't Mateen Afghani? Why would he then speak arabic when he isn't arabic?

There is so much racial profiling and stereotyping here that is laughable, they basically see a 'foreign' looking dude and assume he's a terrorist straight away. They even profiled him incorrectly, most likely was not speaking arabic unless I am mistaken about Mateen's ethnicity, or he somehow learned arabic as a third or fourth language.

2016 - A white person walks into a gun shop is likely to be served regardless of how they look, carry themselves or speak.

- an arab looking person is highly likely to be refused service ..

what about a black person walking into a gunshop today? How are they treated

This is pure rascism, and it only serves to make american citizens look more ignorant.

It is ridiculous. I think non-arab looking people and non-muslims are responsible for most of the mass shootings that have taken place in america's history.

What the Gun shop employees should be doing is treating every potential customer equally and as human beings, and looking more at how the customer carries themselves and be aware of any suspicious orders or tendencies.

You're right. But thats not the point here. The point is that they racially profiled him...called the FBI and the FBI FAILED TO CONNECT THE DOTS.

Call it racism, bigotry whathave you...the big stinking pile of foul here is the FBI failure to act on a tip to a guy they already knew about. Not racism. So, feel free to pull this thread down a nonsensical road, or accept that people judge others, all the time...especially people who sell guns, ammo and armour.

Is anyone else here noticing that the racism card, distracting from the OP, is being brought up specifically by a group of newbies on here? Or is it just me?

Sorry, I do realize I am late to the convo. Disregard if I'm off base with this.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

Be careful of how you throw the term "Newbie" around. This is my second profile and I've been following and on ATS since 07. And yeah it's pretty racist. Most likely they noticed something else off about him like the way he carried himself or his overall demeanour. They couldn't place it so that called it race.

Hello All,

This is my first post.

I am married to a Palestinian Muslim woman.

I feel like it is finally we cut the crap. I don't care who goes in gun shop and requests Level 3 Body Armor or Bulk ammunition. Racial profiling great! I have two small kids and we are all targets for being next. I love this country, stand for liberty and I am against tyranny.

If we are afraid already, we have lost. We will never give up as a country and it sad to see our leadership has come to placate literally everyone.

I feel I cant even speak my opinion less I be labeled a racist, white, homphobe, bigot.

I paid $159,000 in taxes last year and unfortunately I am labled as a one percenter. I worked my ass off and I will always demean those that look down upon the pocket book that feeds.

Go USA!