Gun store owner: We called FBI before Orlando shooting

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: Boadicea

Couldn't find a source.

Thanks for checking. I'll check later too. The story is still fairly new, so more information should be coming out.

Still makes sense that since he didn't purchase anything they wouldn't have his name or really anything to go on. Even IF they had video I'm sure it would have been low priority and it would have taken awhile to figure out who he was.

Yeah, probably. Once you said it, all that made perfect sense.

I remember being in a gun shop when a crazy drunk woman came in and started asking about buying a .44 magnum (I still think it was weird) and they just told her to get out. I imagine gun shops get a lot of weirdos.

Jeesh, I'll bet drunks can be pretty darn worrisome in a gun shop! I don't know that I'd want to work in one...

a reply to: Gothmog

And then the FBI were ordered to stand down . The order coming from the top. Way it seems to have been working for 8 years .

I definitely suspected as much at first... but as Domo pointed out here:

Yeah some guy down in Orlando heard the guy do an interview, said the guy came in, stood out of the cameras range so they didn't have a good shot of him, and subsequently no real info to give the FBI. Then claims he saw the shooters picture and it was the same guy.

So I'll have to withhold my usual contempt for the feds... at least for now

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Boadicea

Realy? Do you need "common core" deductive reasoning? You honestly believe the guberment had him in their grasp and then went limp wrist? Not considering/figuring what he could, would and will do, played into the "daily brief" agenda?

First - spelling . Really , not "Realy". Government , not guberment
And the FBI did have him and may have been able to have prevented this one. Just like Boston and others.
Not once , but twice the FBI had him on a watch list.
From what I read and here , they were ordered to back off both times. Yes , by the "guberment"

a reply to: Boadicea

This is sounding more and more like Oklahoma.

Considering that the FBI and FBI informants were involved, multiple people with knowledge of the event prior to execution, and tons of other details coming out. Looks like it just another planned event. I wonder if the FBI was planning on foiling it ahead of time, and maybe they slipped up and he went through with it.

Who knows, it smells fishy.

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: Boadicea

This is sounding more and more like Oklahoma.

Oklahoma was my first wake up call.... and TWA Flight 800.

Considering that the FBI and FBI informants were involved, multiple people with knowledge of the event prior to execution, and tons of other details coming out. Looks like it just another planned event. I wonder if the FBI was planning on foiling it ahead of time, and maybe they slipped up and he went through with it.

That's about where my thoughts are focusing. Either the "handlers" screwed up or he went rogue -- maybe both.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: Boadicea

This is sounding more and more like Oklahoma.

Oklahoma was my first wake up call.... and TWA Flight 800.

Considering that the FBI and FBI informants were involved, multiple people with knowledge of the event prior to execution, and tons of other details coming out. Looks like it just another planned event. I wonder if the FBI was planning on foiling it ahead of time, and maybe they slipped up and he went through with it.

That's about where my thoughts are focusing. Either the "handlers" screwed up or he went rogue -- maybe both.

Kinda odd how they could screw up so bad. Makes you wonder if it was intentional due to one of "them" being on the inside-not talking about Obama and the top here but the more local jurisdictions. Who is on the inside here messing with these concerns, not only the gun store reporting but a fellow security guard as well.

a reply to: Gothmog

So through all that "terrible" spelling, ...yet! You grasped my meaning? By the way "guberment" was spelled correctly. .. You seem very "educated" and yet? Unknowing. I'm profoundly happy you decifered my code. There is hope for humanity.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Boadicea

I am working under the assumption that the Obama administration shut down the FBI investigation because the cowardly ####stain's father was a big shot in Afghanistan.

You got it Brother...

This is 100% a govt. sanctioned crapstain.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
the FBI's problem is he was a full citizen making legal purchases

if you should be put under surveillance for buying something, maybe it should be illegal ?

Given that the shooter was already on a watch list, wouldn't buying level 3 body armor and large amounts of ammunition as well as three guns be enough for the FBI to investigate further? What good is the FBI if they oversee something as obvious as this? Sure it is allowed to buy such things, but when someone is suspicious while buying out of the ordinary things, why shouldn't that person's actions be questioned?

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Boadicea

Firstly Mateen was an American citizen.

Meaning what? The gang rapes here by muslim lebanese had them, young Australian born Lebanese, calling each other in arabic to arrange more to come rape the victim. they spoke arabic around her as they toiled with her, before raping her for hours. only to say "You like leb dick you white dog" and crap like this...

What has being born in a place have to do with how you treat it??

Explain this, or should he have been all yankee doodle to satisfy you?

Second if all he asked for is #3 armor, bulk ammo and spoke a what a gun store owner knew to be Arabic language. Did I miss something?

I think you did..

What should the FBI do when a customer asks 2 questions and then speaks in a diff tongue? He already was on a watch list, in 2012 and nothing happened. It is really hard to read peoples minds, in most cases there is little that could be done to stop these terrible shootings. You want to know why? Cause we are a free people living in a free country.

The only logical way to stop mass shootings is either confiscate all guns (good luck), everyone carries a gun (good luck). We are stuck, but certain groups love to use this issue, divide and conquer.

BE AWARE THAT HE WAS ALREADY WATCHED AND ACTED ON IT.

you are the bright apple, I can tell.

a reply to: Boadicea

We need special prosecutors..

Having the federal government investigate issues like this would be like having the SS investigate Auschwitz.

a reply to: Boadicea

Agreed. I believe this pattern would have long ago warranted probable cause.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: Boadicea

The U.S. always has to have an enemy to keep the military complex machine going. When the cold war was over, the U.S. immediately said the next concern was going to be terrorism. Anybody else remember when our government kept saying we have to keep the Persian Gulf open to keep the Middle-East oil flowing? That started our presence in the Middle East. We started sending ships into the Persian Gulf supposedly to escort oil tankers. We also started supporting dictators like Sadam Hussein, the Shah of Iran, and terrorists like Osama Bin laden in the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan. The U.S. intentionally stirred the sewage in the Middle East to create terror. They got what they planned for! Now the citizens of Europe and the U.S. are paying for it with their lives.

A load of crap.

If anything, they, your government in current power, a corrupt and insidious lot of sycophants, are using this to further an agenda. YOu say it like they did it, and the poor muslims are responding..NO. they caused it purposely, and this is exactly what they want.

You dont light a fire without wanting it to burn.

that fire was always there, just bring me a torch and let me light this fire...

Wake UP.

originally posted by: ANNED
The problem is many armed security guards have there own vests and shoot a lot.

Sounds like a good way to combat things like this.. Just shoot a lot. Do you stab a lot too, when carrying a knife??

Do you baseball bat a lot? Run over people with you car a lot?

Yeah..

a reply to: dreamingawake

Kinda odd how they could screw up so bad. Makes you wonder if it was intentional due to one of "them" being on the inside-not talking about Obama and the top here but the more local jurisdictions. Who is on the inside here messing with these concerns, not only the gun store reporting but a fellow security guard as well.

I've wondered that as well. It's definitely something I'm keeping in mind going forward. Never understimate the stupidity of government... but neither can we overestimate their evil.

originally posted by: YukonJuan
No one can "drive" anyone to do anything... much less such a violent and heinous crime.

A man can be driven to do anything. This guy is living proof of that. If only people would have accepted him and his gay life style this would not have had to happen. Sad world we live in.

Who didn't accept him, but for his his religious kin?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Boadicea

We need special prosecutors..

Having the federal government investigate issues like this would be like having the SS investigate Auschwitz.

We sure do! Special independent prosecutors with full investigatory and subpoena powers...

originally posted by: YukonJuan
a reply to: DBCowboy

Every person who ever did a mass killing did so because they wanted to be accepted. That why this guy wanted to join ISIS, he just wanted to belong to something. We pick and jab at these people and when they finally explode people are shocked

Who picked and jabbed at him?

His father, his Imam, the mosque he frequented?

Do you now see the problem?

I doubt it...

originally posted by: YukonJuan
technically at the time a crime hadn't been committed yet so I'm a little upset about these gun shop owners racial profiling the guy. I'm sure the whole time he was there he was given dirty looks and made to feel uncomfortable. Its these types of people who drive these people to do what they do. They make them feel less than human and if they no longer value their own life how do you expect them to value the life of a stranger.

You do realize he was wanting to buy a vest to protect himself during his "planned" attack right? Get a a clue man! Stop being a pansy arse and use your noodle to assess a reality situation. There are people out there that want to hurt you........ the sooner you wake up and smell the fit hitting the Shan, the safer your going to be.

In case you haven't figured it out yet this is presently a world that thrives, in all aspects of creation, on "the strong survive". You don't need to loose hope fore humanity, but you do need to recognize where humanity is at.

Those that have a perceived power weild it, those that don't, are subjugated by that power if they're in the cross hairs of that power. This is only a friendly advice. So far I find that in my observation, the best opportunity to determine a peaceful course until it's time to no longer be peaceful provides the most beneficial outcome.

a reply to: Sometimes

Given that the shooter was already on a watch list, wouldn't buying level 3 body armor and large amounts of ammunition as well as three guns be enough for the FBI to investigate further? What good is the FBI if they oversee something as obvious as this? Sure it is allowed to buy such things, but when someone is suspicious while buying out of the ordinary things, why shouldn't that person's actions be questioned?

I would certainly think so. And hope so.