Gun store owner: We called FBI before Orlando shooting

originally posted by: fishy6

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Willtell

Thank you. I agree with everything you said -- and said so well!

This looks like an FBI anti terror operation who the FBI was trying to lure into some act but somehow this went awry.

Usually the FBI stops the act and arrests the guy before he acts but something went terribly wrong here.

Yup. Maybe he went rogue or maybe his terrorist connections have figured out the MO of the feds and pushed the date up a bit. I don't know. But the feds had plenty of reason and opportunity to know this guy was trouble.

Another poster said that the state department had shut down the investigations. Someone had plans for this guy.

Mateen, although born here was basically a Radical Muslim infiltrator, just like the other 10,000+ living here in the USA right now.

At some point in the recent past he decided to do some sort of horrendous act somehow someway and IMO he set himself up to be in the position to do so, IE security guard etc.

I think he shows the same social/behavior patterns from childhood as the other mass murderers.

He just happened to be Muslim.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: AMPTAH

Maybe the shop owner was doing what has been asked of all of us: "If you see something, say something".

Yes, that's right. But, what do we see? Each of us sees something differently. A lot of what we see, involves our imagination, biases, prejudices. If this call was "unusual" the FBI would take notice. The fact that they gave no thought to the call, tells us that they get many such calls. Then, they have to make a judgment, which calls to check out.

Too many people calling the FBI, obscures the really important calls. There's no way to tell, that this call is one they should take seriously. There's no way to follow up on every call.

There's nothing wrong with anybody trying to purchase "body armor". Why would that be suspicious? He could be an actor in a film, and needed it for props. He could be a collector of protective gear of all sorts. He could be a security guard, and needed it for his night shift. There are all sorts of good reasons why someone would buy something like this. But, if he's a Muslim, then that sets of red flags.

So, you look at the guy, and think to yourself, something about this guy doesn't feel right. Where does that "intuition" come from? It often happens when the guy looks different from the guy you see when you look in the mirror everyday.

originally posted by: Annee

I think he shows the same social/behavior patterns from childhood as the other mass murderers.

He just happened to be Muslim.

That's utter nonsense...
To deny the fact this person practices a faith that is largely against homosexuality, is doing the victims a disservice.
The Orlando shooter praised the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Hes a radical to the core.

At what time do we call a duck a duck?

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: Annee

I think he shows the same social/behavior patterns from childhood as the other mass murderers.

He just happened to be Muslim.

That's utter nonsense...

Utter nonsense that he fits the profile of most mass murderers?

Let's ignore fact so we can blame Muslims.

originally posted by: JAY1980

To deny the fact this person practices a faith that is largely against homosexuality, is doing the victims a disservice.
The Orlando shooter praised the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Hes a radical to the core.

At what time do we call a duck a duck?

The shooter was gay. He went to that club regularly for 3 years. He was rejected by all the others going to the club.

That's why he shot up the club. He didn't shoot those people because he was Muslim. He did it for the same reason this woman in Pakistan threw acid on the man that refused to marry her.

www.yahoo.com...

That's what people do when they get rejected. They get angry. They seek revenge. They try to punish those that reject them.

But, once he decided to shoot everybody, and die himself, he was going to get some praise. That was his decision. He knew lots of Muslims would praise him, even though he wasn't himself all that religious. So, his exit strategy was to go out in a blaze of glory, rather than like a wimp. If the gays wouldn't accept him in life, he'd get the praise of another group in death. Wife gone, can't get a man, nothing the live for. That's the fact.

He is busy calling up people telling them what he's doing while he is doing it. Who does that? He wants ATTENTION.

He spent 3 years trying the get the attention of gays in that night club, and everybody all but ignored him.

They can't ignore him now.

Simple, human emotion.

Nothing complicated, like ISIS and Islamic Extremism, those guys don't call people on the phone while they are doing their thing. He wanted the world to talk about him, to notice him, to praise him, or to fear him. But, they wouldn't ignore him anymore.

That's all this was. Islamic Extremism was just a convenient last minute crutch, to solidify the praise from some group of people while he exited this world.

Islamic Extremists don't go to gay clubs regularly for 3 years. It doesn't take them that long to plan and act. Two visits would have been more than enough.

a reply to: Boadicea

Nutty conspiracy theories? I've never seen so much logic in a single thread. Thank you so much for this thread Boedicia.

a reply to: Aazadan

The government threw the Constitution out the window many years ago when it passed the Unpatriot Act, effectively nullifying the 4th Amendment demands. It did it again with the recent NDAA amendments allowing indefinite detention.

This guy called the cops and the cops did nothing, is what he's saying, and that's the truth. Law enforcement comes away with egg on its face, as it is either incompetent or hiding some other agency's pawn.

a reply to: AMPTAH

The fact that they gave no thought to the call, tells us that they get many such calls. Then, they have to make a judgment, which calls to check out.

Wait a second!

They did check out the tip provided by the store owners. The store owners just did not have enough to go on, otherwise the FBI would not have just dropped this unless told to do so:

originally posted by: Boadicea
The Latest: FBI confirms prior contact with body armor shop

The FBI is confirming that agents spoke last month with a Florida gun shop where Orlando shooter Omar Mateen asked to buy body armor and about 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

But the FBI says store employees did not provide any information about him, preventing "any meaningful investigative follow up."

Reading these threads it's clear many of us realize these are not isolated, lone gunman shootings. SOMETHING is helping and/or allowing these to happen. Why? Who knows but I personally think "gun control" is just the tip of the iceberg.

Look at the MO...it's ALWAYS some patsy whom the FBI is very familiar with, Yet every headline under the sun will tell you he acted completely alone with no help (very telling), ALWAYS reported by witnesses to be more than one shooter (as if one guy can kill 50 people), ALWAYS a joke of an investigation that is obstructed/blocked by those with the power to do so.

Others commenting get mired down in the low perspective of gay rights/muslim rights/gun rights or whatever. Right on cue, because you can't/don't want to believe it's even possible for these events to be orchestrated...you'd rather believe some lone madman killed 50 people all by himself and if we ban guns/increase education on homosexuals everything will be great. And gosh darnit those muslims are dangerous, or darnit poor muslims get a bad rep.

Lost in the issues that were never the impetus in the first place.

I know some here have the capacity and acumen to see through the charade....others I'm not so sure about. Not even speaking on the obvious trolls but just regular people that are buying these bridges.

So if you asked me how to stop these shootings, banning guns isn't even on the list. That is such a base perspective...how about transparent oversight of all government agencies by CITIZENS that live and work in this world? Will never happen I know, but that would go a lot farther then disarming an already victimized public.

I know I'm not the only one who sees these for what they are...

a reply to: SuicideKing33

Great post!

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
Reading these threads it's clear many of us realize these are not isolated, lone gunman shootings. SOMETHING is helping and/or allowing these to happen. Why? Who knows but I personally think "gun control" is just the tip of the iceberg.

Yeah, well there's another theory.

FBI pulls these guys in, CIA comes in the back door and puts a special computer helmet on the guys, and they "program" them, using mind control machine, to carry out the hits. Then, they hypnotize the guys and tell them they will not remember anything that happened to them while at the FBI. Then they release the guys back into the wild.


Then, on hearing some "trigger" sent through the TV or internet, or cell phone signal, the "program" gets activated, and they go out and make their hits.

That would explain everything.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: AMPTAH

Yes, being anti muslim...That's what it is.

Maybe the shop owner didn't want blood on his hands?

Maybe the shop owner was doing what has been asked of all of us: "If you see something, say something".

Anything to justify the failure of the feds right?

The said something so they must be racist or anti muslim..

Give me a break.

Yep, big fail for the feds.

It's a damn shame but invite ahmed the bomb boy to the White House, yeah that's the ticket!

Stefan Molyneux says it best.

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
Reading these threads it's clear many of us realize these are not isolated, lone gunman shootings. SOMETHING is helping and/or allowing these to happen. Why? Who knows but I personally think "gun control" is just the tip of the iceberg.

Correct... Allow massive extremist muslim infiltration, destabilize the World so that it goes out of control with extreme violence, world economy destabilizes into global depression, world wide marshall law, TPTB/UN steps in with the one and only solution, leading to Sharia law world wide, a world wide constitution and Govt Demigod with the UN in control, and Obama will most likely end up the Secretary General of the UN or at least on the council.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Boadicea

I am working under the assumption that the Obama administration shut down the FBI investigation because the cowardly ####stain's father was a big shot in Afghanistan.

......or......maybe the FBI was following the law, can't have it both ways.

a reply to: jimmyx

I am working under the assumption that the Obama administration shut down the FBI investigation because the cowardly ####stain's father was a big shot in Afghanistan.

......or......maybe the FBI was following the law, can't have it both ways.

Sure we can!

Someone wrote that law and/or regulation -- it didn't fall from the sky or grow on a tree -- and that person(s) could very well have written it in such a way as to ensure that any investigation into the cowardly ####stain's Afghani big shot father was shut down before anything incriminating could be found...

a reply to: Annee

I think he shows the same social/behavior patterns from childhood as the other mass murderers.

He just happened to be Muslim.

a reply to: JAY1980

That's utter nonsense...

To deny the fact this person practices a faith that is largely against homosexuality, is doing the victims a disservice.

I think you're both right. He was one sick little monster... and his Muslim faith happened to be quite complementary to his violent murderous psychosis. If he had been born into another faith -- or no faith at all -- he either would have found a way to twist his faith to conform to and justify his violent ways... or he might have converted to Islam... but as it happened, he didn't need to.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Boadicea

Nutty conspiracy theories? I've never seen so much logic in a single thread. Thank you so much for this thread Boedicia.

You're welcome! Thank you!!!

And thanks to everyone who helped make it a great thread

a reply to: SuicideKing33

Others commenting get mired down in the low perspective of gay rights/muslim rights/gun rights or whatever.

Thank you for adding that -- and the rest of your excellent comment

It has to be more than a coincidence that members of the LGBT -- already in the news in a very controversial way -- were those targeted. I can think of several possible reasons for that (none of them good) besides the obvious Muslim homophobia...

To the people blaming the FBI a question -

At what point would you decide a person is not entitled to due process and their constitutional rights?

I find it perplexing that people complain about the government, their actions, their overreach and how they are out to destroy the US only to see an argument that the government should have treated this person as if he had no rights at all.

Can someone clarify that mindset for me please.

The constitution is absolute in the sense it applies to all equally. It does not provide for differing levels of constitutional protections. If you are willing to shred parts of the constitution in an effort to single out a particular group then what guarantee do you have that you wont be the next "group" that is singled out.

Maybe if people would quit being so apathetic about politics and take part in the process at all levels and vote / hold officials accountable maybe things would be different.