BREXIT takes sizable lead amid fears of unchecked immigration.

I have the feeling that the Russian thugs in France for the Euros are part of a bigger plan - I think they're there to cause trouble specifically so that more British people are persuaded that we're better to be out of the EU - this will then lead to other countries leaving the EU over the next few years, and the eventual destabilisation and breakdown of Europe, thus leaving the door wide open for Russia to start an expansion plan back into countries that it sees as being Russian rather than European.

no basis in fact for this, just wild supposition, but it could be true.

As Mike at the festival said - don't think of any of the reasons for in/out, or what we currently get or don't get, or what we might have or not have if we leave. Think of it like a divorce - there is a choice, stay in (don't get divorced), or leave (get divorced, and go through all the hassle, process, legal disputes, custody battles, etc, etc, etc, that come with a divorce, with no gaurentee of anything in the future). Getting divorced is only worth it if the current relationship is so terribly bad that the hellish divorce process is worth the final outcome of separation. Lawyers will get paid, new agreements will take ages to implement, everything new that we do to do with the EU will need to be ratified by 27 other EU countries, all of this takes time, and will lead to uncertainty, which will always lead to market fluctuations, and therefore possibilities of financial meltdown.

you see, looking at it like that, I don't think our relationship with/in the EU has got to such a dire stage as to necessitate leaving.

but then also to think about - referendum like this are only called in order to put a stop to the question being an issue. We've been talking about leaving for ages - once the result is in, we'll either leave, or we'll stay, but nobody will question it again for years.

all just my opinions of course - I'm not a qualified economist or anything, though having said that, people who are qualified economists, who have studied the ins and outs (as it were), are still undecided as to if we should stay or leave. It's a very difficult decision to make, there are lots of issues at stake (not just immigration, farm subsidies and TTIP) - we the people are not qualified to make this decision, which is why we vote for our elected representatives to make difficult decisions on our behalf, as they should be more informed. How are we supposed to make the right decision when most of us won't have access to enough information to decide?

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some of what the leave campaign says is true. some of it. in some small respects we will be better off out of the EU. eventually.
but to get there, the risks involved, and all of the other stuff that will happen around that - in my opinion they far outweigh any benefits that we might see.

some things I might vote out for - if we could have them as individual items, but we can't.

I'm begining to believe that as a whole package - leave is far too risky.

originally posted by: CrastneyJPR
I'm begining to believe that as a whole package - leave is far too risky.