Hillary's State Dept. Blocked Investigation into Orlando Killer's Mosque

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: onequestion

Oh I figured it out and it took... oh I dunno, thirty seconds?

SEE SOMETHING, SAY NOTHING - (HARDCOVER) $19.95

That's Philip Haney's book. Guess who the publisher is? WND Books. Yeah, "liberal mainstream media" is so agenda driven. You just got duped into spreading misinformation to help WND sell books.

How's that make you feel about WND?

Real class, there. I've read the book. Mr. Haney rates far higher on my respect meter than your opinion. Your response is based on a WHOLE 30 seconds?? My, my if only we mere mortals could form an intelligent evaluation of the entire career of a loyal public servant in less time than it takes for my dog to find the right spot to drop a log! (Although, now that I think about it, the end results do strike me as similar...)

Rules for Radicals
Rule 7. Tactics:
(# 13.) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Even when the topic is something I disagree with vehemently, I refuse to stoop to throw away snarky posts such as yours. You refuted nothing and put your bias out there in big bold neon.

Philip Haney studied Arabic culture and language while working as a scientist in the Middle East before becoming a founding member of the Department of Homeland Security in 2002 as a Customs & Border Protection agriculture officer. After advancing to an armed CBP officer where he served several tours of duty at the National Targeting Center near Washington, DC, where he quickly was promoted to its Advanced Targeting Team, an unprecedented accomplishment for an agent on temporary duty assignment. Officer Haney won numerous awards and commendations from his superiors for meticulously compiling information and producing actionable reports that led to the identification of hundreds of terrorists. He has specialized in Islamic theology and the strategy and tactics of the global Islamic movement. He retired in July 2015.

Some background information on the Author and whisterblower for anyone actually interested in the truth.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: BO XIAN

Seeing how you did not answer the questions again what was the point of that post?

You want to tell us all which Congressional agency does investigations and how they are conducted?

Can you tell us who has influence and how?

Your not going to convince any on ATS that the government is benevolent and that people aren't influenced by their party, donors and their political positions and agendas.

FYI this will be my last response to you

originally posted by: onequestion
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Can you tell us who has influence and how?

Your not going to convince any on ATS that the government is benevolent and that people aren't influenced by their party, donors and their political positions and agendas.

Where did I say it was benevolent?

It has a well defined power structure and Hilldog cannot tell Holder or Johnson what to do without them agreeing or being ordered by the President.

Why is this so hard for everyone to get through their coconuts?

She cannot 'block' any of their investigations. She can only ask, they need to agree.

FYI this will be my last response to you

Not surprised. My questions are tough.

originally posted by: onequestion
Your not going to convince any on ATS that the government is benevolent and that people aren't influenced by their party, donors and their political positions and agendas.

And you're not going to convince Hillary supporter here (if there are any?) to stop supporting her. Not with suspicions, allegations and hearsay. That seems to be all this story is about.

I don't know why people try so hard to discredit Hillary here... What a waste of time.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: onequestion
Your not going to convince any on ATS that the government is benevolent and that people aren't influenced by their party, donors and their political positions and agendas.

And you're not going to convince Hillary supporter here (if there are any?) to stop supporting her. Not with suspicions, allegations and hearsay. That seems to be all this story is about.

I don't know why people try so hard to discredit Hillary here... What a waste of time.

ahhhh hahhaha

did it ever occur to the people on the right in this thread, that there are loyal, patriotic American Muslim spies in these mosques?.....we have some of the worlds best counter-intelligence people in the world. they gather information on Muslim radicals in all parts of our society. this information might contain insights of what is going on in here as well as who they might be communicating with in other countries......

originally posted by: jimmyx
did it ever occur to the people on the right in this thread, that there are loyal, patriotic American Muslim spies in these mosques?.....we have some of the worlds best counter-intelligence people in the world. they gather information on Muslim radicals in all parts of our society. this information might contain insights of what is going on in here as well as who they might be communicating with in other countries......

totally agree. we're not interested in the truth though as a community we are interested in childlike ignorance and the perpetuation of denial and open agendas

we do have some of the best intelligence in the world and like Trump says if our government would let them do their jobs

.......

a reply to: jimmyx

That's probably what the DHS wanted to do.
A terrorist investigation might likely include finding an informant and collecting information.
But, if they could not investigate, then they would not be able to do that.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: jimmyx

That's probably what the DHS wanted to do.
A terrorist investigation might likely include finding an informant and collecting information.
But, if they could not investigate, then they would not be able to do that.

Reminds me of Trump's speech on Monday where he was talking about how our intelligence services are being held back from doing their job and conducting proper investigations by the administration.

This isn't news either it's been discussed before.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: onequestion

Why would the State Department block an investigation? The Justice Department would handle this who reports to the Attorney General which would have been Holder.

I despise Madame Pantsuit but this seems to be inaccurate.

If the day comes when I understand what is going on between the ears of HRC, I will be extremely worried about my own mental well-being.

As to the SD being involved, here is just one paragraph from A DHS whistleblower’s shocking letter to Congress:

Almost a year into this investigation, it was halted by the State Department and the DHS Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties. They not only stopped us from connecting more dots, the records of our targets were deleted from the shared DHS database. The combination of Farook’s involvement with the Dar Al Uloom Al Islamiyah Mosque and Malik’s attendance at al Huda would have indicated, at minimum, an urgent need for comprehensive screening. Instead, Malik was able to avoid serious vetting upon entering the United States on a fiancé visa and more than a dozen Americans are dead as a result.

Granted, such an investigation would not ordinarily be within the purview of the State Department but remember who we are discussing. It's only my personal opinion, but I've come to doubt that boundaries have much meaning when it comes to HRC. Pressure from the SD on a sympathetic DHS (don't forget that the focus had shifted to CVE) could very well have quashed the investigation(s).

As to Mr. Haney's efforts to bring this all to light being just hearsay, here is part of his bio:

Philip Haney studied Arabic culture and language while working as a scientist in the Middle East before he was hired as a founding member of the Department of Homeland Security in 2003. After becoming an armed Customs and Border Protection officer, he served two tours of duty at the National Targeting Center near Washington, DC, where he quickly was promoted to its Advanced Targeting Team. For more than forty years, he has specialized in Islamic theology and the strategy and tactics of the global Islamic movement. He retired honorably in July 2015.

His commitment to the subject predates the rise to power of the Clintons. Why automatically assume he isn't being honest to the best of his knowledge? If he was told where the command came from to shut it down, then all he can do is report what happened and what he was told. By far the emphasis of his book is more concerned about the well-being of the country than anything else. The alarm he expresses is about dysfunction across both sides of the aisle and spread throughout our government.

a reply to: CornShucker

Here is the issue; if Clinton called Homeland and Justice and asked them to back down they would, due to chain of command, have to run this up to their respective heads: Johnson and Holder.

Now, if either one of them pulled the plug or altered the findings it is not Clinton who blocked the investigation, it is Holder or Johnson who did. She has no authority to halt an investigation. She can certainly ask her fellow Obama cronies to pull the plug but they need to give the say so.

a reply to: CornShucker

Real class, there. I've read the book. Mr. Haney rates far higher on my respect meter than your opinion.

Cool story bro.

I don't need to read Mr. Haney's book to know that what he was saying in his publisher's "news article" is less than rampant speculation or that publishing such drivel as "news" based on "leaks" is not only misleading and wholly dishonest, but a complete and total conflict of interest.

Rules for Radicals Rule 7. Tactics: (# 13.) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Awww. Aren't you the clever (not to mention ORIGINAL) one? BTW hypocrite:

You refuted nothing and put your bias out there in big bold neon.

You want to me? Well I you.

Now why don't you read what Mr. Haney said in the advertisement masquerading as news on his publisher's website and then explain how it supports the conclusion alleged in the titles of the various titles or in the OP of this thread?

You know what — to hell with it — I'm going to indulge you lazy propagandists and do your jobs for you so that I can argue against what you can't be bothered to say.

a reply to: CornShucker

So here I go, indulging you parrots who can't be bothered to do anything but cry crocodile tears as you continue to dodge any responsibility for trying to foist this hoax on the users of ATS.

Here's the breakdown of the "allegation" as it were, using excerpts from the WND book advertisement linked from the OP:

As a member of one of the National Targeting Center’s advanced units, Haney helped develop a case in 2011 on a worldwide Islamic movement known as Tablighi Jamaat, as he recounts in his new book “See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government’s Submission to Jihad.”

(yeah that's a link to buy the book right from the start, lol)

Tablighi Jamaat is a conservative Sunni movement (itself an offshoot of the Hanafi Deobandi movement) originating in India and having some 12 million members and 150 million adherents worldwide. Like fundamentalist Christians, Mormons, Catholics and other groups, it does outreach, proselytizes, runs missions and schools to educate new religious scholars.

I find them disdainful personally but that's neither here nor there.

Moving on, he claims that he established connections to jihadist groups over the course of six years. In other words, there were people who were among this group of over 100 million conservative Muslims, who also had connections to jihadist groups.

He alleges that DHS’s Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Office pressured his bosses to shut him down back in 2011 because they believed it unfairly singled out Muslims." I don't know if that's true or not but it's actually quite irrelevant to this topic. So the linchpin in this bulls# is this:

The Fort Pierce mosque’s website features a link that demonstrates its relationship to the Shariah Board of America, a division of the Rahmat-e-Alam Foundation, which operates the Darul Uloom Chicago madrassa. The madrassa is closely affiliated with the Institute of Islamic Education, which was a major component of Haney’s Tablighi Jamaat case.

In other words, there's a link from a mosque's website to another website for a group that is a division of a foundation which operates a school in Chicago. The school in Chicago is "closely affiliated" (whatever that means) with another organization, which he claims was a "major" component of his "case."

That's the bulk of his evidence. It's not surprising that none of you could put that into words because it felt ludicrous just typing it.

Furthermore, he alleges that his files were destroyed after the case was closed but if it they hadn't been, the information contained in those files would have likely stopped the San Bernardino attack and the Orlando attack.

Now, I've done the job that you, the OP and everyone else who was pushing this as "news" should have done but couldn't be bothered to do as you were too busy crying about how it's reasonable to make outrageous allegations with no evidence and expect everyone else to prove that you're wrong about something you can't even put into words.

Pathetic.

For the sake of argument, I'll take Haney at his word — a man who didn't "blow the whistle" by going to the media and telling his story but rather by publishing a book through a notoriously anti-Islam, far-right Christian publisher which operates a propaganda "news site." — even though his civic duty appears to have a price tag.

I can tell you that in his place, if what he is alleges is true, I would have gone straight to the media but hey, I'm not trying to sell agendas for a profit or become a figure in the far-right anti-Islam fear-mongering scene.

So setting all that aside because despite all of that, he could be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but — the rest is less than idle speculation.

In other words, he does not now, nor did he ever have any specific knowledge or information pertaining to the San Bernarndino terror attack/terrorists let alone this most recent attack in Orlando.

Furthermore his alleged "link" is tenuous, in fact its so tenuous that without too much difficulty, the same quality of "link" (in this case, an actual web link) could be made between virtually any two Muslims in the entire world given the SHEER SIZE of Tablighi Jamaat and the inherent interconnected nature of religious organizations.

It's pure speculation based entirely on substantively weak premises that is being used to make a buck by selling books.

a reply to: theantediluvian

You got all of his evidence from an advertisment for his book from a website that wrote an article about him?

Just curious if you truly believe that's all his evidence and if you read the book or not?

a reply to: theantediluvian



Here's an interview with the guy on Fox News.

He says that a year into their investigations they got a visit from the State Department and The Homeland Security Civil Rights division.

Civil Rights and Civil Liberties

Ever ask yourself why the DHS has a civil rights department?

He says they shutdown the case because they told him they couldn't profile Muslims.

Apparently he has a commendation letter for finding 300 terrorist.

Here's an alleged copy of the letter he wrote to Congress asking them to let him reopen his investigations.

www.scribd.com...

15 December, 2015 An Open Letter to Members of Congress: In the aftermath of the most devastating and lethal jihadist attack in the United States since 9/11, Americans are rightly angry their government will not face the problem of Islamic terrorism honestly. I know this first
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hand. During my 13 years at the Department of Homeland Security, I worked tirelessly to identify and prevent terrorism in the United States. As a recognized “founding member” of DHS, it was among my responsibilities to raise concern, not only about the individuals primed for imminent attack, but about the networks and ideological support that makes those terrorist attacks possible. I investigated numerous groups such as the Deobandi Movement, Tablighi Jamaat, and al
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Huda as their members traveled into and out of the United States in the course of my work. Many were traveling on the visa waiver program, which minimizes the checks and balances due to agreements with the countries involved. But the scrutiny we were authorized to apply was having results. This investigation could possibly have prevented the San Bernardino jihadist attack by identifying its perpetrators, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, based on their associations with these groups. Almost a year into this investigation, it was halted by the State Department and the DHS Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties. They not only stopped us from connecting more dots, the records of our targets were deleted from the shared DHS database. The combination of Farook’s involvement with the Dar Al Uloom Al Islamiyah Mosque and Malik’s attendance at al
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Huda would have indicated, at minimum, an urgent need for comprehensive screening. Instead, Malik was able to avoid serious vetting upon entering the United States on a fiancé visa
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and more than a dozen Americans are dead as a result. The investigation was not stopped because it was ineffective, it was stopped because the Administration told us the civil rights of the foreign nationals we were investigating could be violated. When did foreign nationals gain civil rights in the United States, especially when they are associated with groups we already know are involved in terrorist activity? Based on what I have seen in the Department of Homeland Security, I no longer have the confidence this administration can adequately vet or screen refugees or immigrants from Islamic countries. I took my story to the American people last week. Remarkably this week, DHS’ former acting under
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secretary for intelligence and analysis, John Cohen, told ABC News that under the direction of DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson, potential immigrants’ social media activity was off
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limits to those responsible for screening. Just as they did when they halted my investigation in 2012
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which could have provided key intelligence and potentially saved over a dozen lives
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DHS described a potential “civil liberties backlash” if the law enforcement officals tasked with keeping our country secure did the most basic

checks on potential travelers, immigrants and refugees. Parents checking on someone their child may be dating look at social media, but our law enforcement officials can’t? This administration has a deadly blind spot when it comes to Islamic terrorism. It is not willing to allow proper vetting and screening of refugees or immigrants from Islamic countries; Congress must take action to defend the security of the American people. I understand the desire to welcome as many immigrants and refugees as possible, especially those fleeing dangerous conflict zones. However, this administration has handcuffed law enforcement officials tasked with vetting these individuals appropriately and that places the American people in danger. Philip B. Haney DHS, Customs & Border Protection Officer
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Ret.

a reply to: onequestion

Did you happen to see who, in the text you just quoted, was accused of halting the investigation?

Remarkably this week, DHS’ former acting under secretary for intelligence and analysis, John Cohen, told ABC News that under the direction of DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson, potential immigrants’ social media activity was off limits to those responsible for screening.

Johnson. Just like I said it would be.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

He said on his Fox News interview that the Homeland Security Civil Rights Division and The State Department.

He said it, live, in his interview, the one I linked, the one you can watch.

I'm ASSUMING that that meant under pressure, from the State Department.

PS I'm already assuming you're going to continue to keep regurgitating the same thing over and over in order to bury my last few posts but I'm going to quote myself in order to keep it available for other members.

a reply to: onequestion

Jesus and the Sweet Baby Jesus could have asked him to stop but Jeh Johnson or Dear Leader were the only ones that could pull the plug. He is looking to sell books on this tragedy and for that I think he truly is a opportunistic scumbag as well as an exaggerator.