Serious Question: Would you be willing to give up semi-automatic guns?

a reply to: caterpillage

Hehe!

The thing is, it's not as if I spent a great deal of time considering the options with regard to the method I outlined above. It sprung to mind immediately that I thought to myself "easier and more efficient than a firearm".

the thing is, there is nothing wrong with someone like me having the knowledge required to do something like that, because I am a reasonable, fair minded, even handed sort of fellow. This means that I simply would not do it. Hell, I would think far more than twice about deploying such a horrid thing, even if surrounded by sociopaths baying for my blood!

Honour and ethics demand, that even if my life were threatened, there are certain things I simply would not do to counter that threat. Drawing steel and making my enemy bleed, that's one thing, but chemical weapons? Perish the thought.

Besides, people piss me off all the time. Because I am a very narrow sort of insane, rather than full on bonkers, I would never start looking to kill people who piss me off. If that was a thing...man...I would be able to build a damned house out of nothing but bones. The only time I deploy force, is when my life or the lives of others are threatened in an immediate sense. Because of this, everyone is safe, even those who aggravate the hell out of me!

it's not a serious question.....unless one is unencumbered by the thought process. it starts with an " s " though.....

so, I derive the origin of the progenitor of the thought to be someone the church chat lady from Saturday night live is proclaiming.
I subscribe to the school of thought that this world has just recently , witnessed an observable....no easily observable lowering of mental ability....day to day....almost short term type memory loss.

crud. Hate it when the thread pages over like this.

I made the video, it's the last post on page 7.

a reply to: eriktheawful

That's an informative video Erick!

Top job to both yourself, and Josh! Badass Mass Effect jacket too!

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: XTexan

So you do not want ANYTHING taken away to try and alleviate this ongoing issue? Even things that no one uses or can even afford?

Out of site out of mind?

Do you find yourself thinking...

Did not happen to my loved ones, only 2 Massacres per year, chances of it being in my city are low?
Don't take away my guns?

So, in your reality, the black market does not exist? Where is this reality? I'd like to move there.

a reply to: Khaleesi

I have been over this already.

It does not matter, the situation does not matter, only emotional validation and placebo really matters here. It's like treating cancer with dandelion and burdock, or other herbal nonsense. It doesn't damned well work, but it's easier than chemo, right?

originally posted by: jupiter869
This is a serious question because I'm honestly curious:

Would you be willing to give up using semi-automatic guns for entertainment purposes at a range (or anywhere else) if you knew giving it up meant the lives of 50 people would be saved? (or even one life?)

I do happen to know they're a real rush to use, but Is the entertainment value of using them worth more than the life of a person to you?

I'm not really talking about making gun control laws, I'm wondering how much you really value a semi-automatic rifle.

So, are you talking about rifles, or all semi-auto guns? Your title says one while your post mentions both.

And the answer is, no, because in your ridiculous hypothetical, you forget to take into account the numerous times around the world where a semi-auto firearm saves lives. The premise of your post is not serious at all, because it's uninformed at its foundation.

originally posted by: jupiter869
This is a serious question because I'm honestly curious:

Would you be willing to give up using semi-automatic guns for entertainment purposes at a range (or anywhere else) if you knew giving it up meant the lives of 50 people would be saved? (or even one life?)

I do happen to know they're a real rush to use, but Is the entertainment value of using them worth more than the life of a person to you?

I'm not really talking about making gun control laws, I'm wondering how much you really value a semi-automatic rifle.

Plenty of automobile trips are frivolous and done basically for entertainment. No car needs to go faster than 35 mph.
Would you allow a law that would prevent you from making automobile trips unless you had express permission from the government for each separate trip? Would you be okay with the government mandating that automobiles go no faster than 35 mph if you knew that thousands of lives would be saved every year?

Would you agree to a law that mandated that all humans wear helmets 24 hours a day to stop the senseless loss of lives that are caused by falls every year?

Does freedom mean anything to anyone any more?

Ladies and Gentlemen, keep your pistols, and your rifles, but the average citizen doesn't need a machine gun. If you need a machine gun, you are weird.

The above has been an editorial comment by the author.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
Ladies and Gentlemen, keep your pistols, but the average citizen doesn't need a machine gun. If you need a machine gun, you are weird.

I totally agree. Most here do. That's why only really wealthy collectors have them.
(you do understand what a machine gun is right?)

a reply to: network dude

Hi network dude. I probably actually don't know. To me, it is a weapon that rapid fires many bullets. Like the one the freak used in Orlando. Did you make a thread recently about this? I think it was you. It's on my list to read.

One other thing, I could hear the gun shots in the vid, and it wasn't just "pop.....pop.....pop
It was popopopopopopopopo. Rapid fire. A machine gun as far as I'm concerned.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
Ladies and Gentlemen, keep your pistols, and your rifles, but the average citizen doesn't need a machine gun. If you need a machine gun, you are weird.

The above has been an editorial comment by the author.

The freak in Orlando used a semi-automatic rifle that is legal to hunt with in many states.

One other thing, I could hear the gun shots in the vid, and it wasn't just "pop.....pop.....pop It was popopopopopopopopo. Rapid fire. A machine gun as far as I'm concerned.

Are you referring to the video made when the SWAT team engaged and killed the shooter?

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

You are right: a machine gun is one where when you pull the trigger, once, it fires many bullets at once. Those types of weapons cost thousands of dollars in just the license to own one, and a TON of rules. Mostly only wealthy people have them as a collectors item.

A semi-automatic, or even a double action revolver can be fired very quickly, simply by pulling the trigger quickly.

Watch this short video I posted on the last page of me and my son demonstrating this:

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I do suggest you read it. I hope I made it understandable for all. But in the video there were many people shooting at the same time, which gives the impression of automatic gunfire. The Cops may have even had full auto weapons. But it would be a bad choice to use them. For the same reason nobody uses them to commit these kinds of crimes.

If you were in my area, I'd gladly take you to the range to learn first hand about this. If you can find a friend to take you, it would be a valuable learning experience, and quite fun.

I only kill cans and paper these days. So people are generally safe around me. And while I do carry a weapon with me, I really, really hope I never have to use it ever. As do most people who carry. We are just willing to accept the responsibility to offer protection against bad people if the need arises and our ability to preform will permit. And nobody knows that I have a gun with me. So nobody feels threatened. I just wish people would be able to grasp all that without the emotional attachment of assuming everyone who owns a gun is a mass murderer, or aspires to be one.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Good job on the video. Josh was smart not to put the single shot up to his shoulder. (though I am sure you made him do it once to learn that all important lesson) My son's first was a single shot 20 guage. He shot it twice, cried the second time, and to date has never shot it again. He now has a nice double barrel 20 with a nice but stock pad. (nice engraving too) Much happier and no tears.

Yours seems like a good kid. Tell him we are proud of him for using good control and demonstrating knowledge.

originally posted by: jupiter869
a reply to: Bennyzilla

It's quite a simple question. Let me rephrase it: What I am simply asking is if you knew that giving up your gun mean one person's life would be saved, would you do it?

This has nothing to do what other people do with guns. Its simply an academic question about your entertainment values vs. one human life.

academic question???....really?.....if that's true, you wouldn't equate owning a gun with the term "entertainment"

a reply to: Sillyolme

I have worked several home invasion robberies with multiple armed attackers in my career in which the victim used a semi automatic rifle (AR15 in one and AK47 in the other) to defend the lives of themselves and their family.

I can say with almost 100% confidence that if the victims were restricted to a handgun with a 10 round magazine the outcome would have been much different.

Not to mention, with proper ammunition selection the AR15 is a safer firearm to use as a self defense tool when overpenetration is an issue (like inside a house).

I think it is obvious, you have very little knowledge in regards to firearms.

Perhaps you will research some of the information I have provided.

a reply to: jupiter869

Would you be willing to give up using semi-automatic guns for entertainment purposes at a range (or anywhere else) if you knew giving it up meant the lives of 50 people would be saved? (or even one life?)

Doesn't really sound like a serious question when you make it sound like the only use for a semi-automatic gun is entertainment?

But I will play.

Sure I will give up using a semi-automatic gun for entertainment purposes, but will keep it for personal safety and proper training purposes.

a reply to: network dude

We have solid slugs for that gun. I fired it from the shoulder....

I forgot Newton's law about reaction. Solid slug has a LOT more mass.......

After I shot it, I was bent over in pain with tears in my eyes...



I know a lot of people out there think that if guns went away, there would not be anymore killings. That's just not true. People will kill people and will find a way to do it.

Can't get a hold of a gun? Fine. They'll use a homemade pipe bomb that anyone can make with parts and ingredients that anyone can buy from the store....no mater what watch list you are on.

The problem isn't guns. The problem is people. People have been killing each other since the first animal bone was used as a club or a broken bone was used as a shiv.

Instead of going after people's weapons, we should be going after the "Why" people kill other people.

I have a SEMI automatic rifle a M1 Garand.

It takes a 8 round clip.
You can not put any more then 8 rounds in it at any time.

Most pump shotguns can put out more projectiles down range then it can ever.

I can take a 12 gauge pump shotgun and put more projectiles down range faster then anyone firing a AR15.

Using #4 buckshot i can fire 27 projectiles down range with one pull of the trigger.
That is only two less projectiles then you have from a AR 15 magazine.

And with a 12 gauge with a 8 round tube that is faster then a FULL AUTO MILITARY M16

Put a duckbill choke on it and it would be devastating in a building like in Orlando