What Christians and Muslims are Really Saying about the Orlando Tragedy

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Or special ones ...

I have said many times, I do not care what two gays do. If they want to have a legal union, that is their business, and I am happy if they are happy. Where I draw the line is where they step into my life and try to compel me to participate in what I cannot take part in.

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
We have to separate the idea of Islam from the radicalization of it, but to get that idea going we need to politicians and those with influence on society to first acknowledge that radical islamic terrorism exists.

We can't even start to have a national conversation until everyone stops acting like it's not real.

Once we acknowledge it then we can begin to educate on the differences between the two.

No one with a sound mind looks at the Westboro Baptist Church and claims that's how all Christians are. Yet, no-one denies they exist. We need to apply the same tactics to Islam.

Well said !

a reply to: ketsuko

I may not agree with gay marriage, but I DO NOT hate gays nor would I ever, ever in my wildest fantasies think about murdering gays or think it just punishment either.

Most Christians fall into that line or more liberal than that, but because of the conflict created by political correctness. We're taking fire for what Muslims have done.

That's all true. We are being taunted and provoked and poked like a bear and it's all part of the divide-and-conquer game that keeps us pitted against each other. We have to rise above it. We have to be proactive -- not reactive. We cannot always be on defense.

You're right -- the many Christians have differences with the LGBT community, but don't hate anyone or wish them ill or in any way condone or applaud senseless killing. Others will say and believe what they will. We cannot stop them... but we can and must live our truths. When we react with anger and hate and defensiveness, we shut out the opportunity to act in love and grace.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Where I draw the line is where they step into my life and try to compel me to participate in what I cannot take part in.

How has the gay intruded into your life? What were you personally compelled to do?

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agreed when Christians perform acts of terrorism maybe we should call it Christian terrorism, that idea doesn't bother me one bit.

Better would be if we just called all terrorism just that, Terrorism.

The KKK terrorised a few people, but I digress.

There are an awful lot of coincidences here and some, even scientists, say coincidences do not exist.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
Where I draw the line is where they step into my life and try to compel me to participate in what I cannot take part in.

How has the gay intruded into your life? What were you personally compelled to do?

The gay dude who lives next door to my mother invited her over for a fabulous meal when she injured herself and was not able to cook. He also watered her house plants when she went overseas for a few weeks.

She felt obliged to thank him, and possibly return the culinary favour.

How shockingly intrusive.

Folks, please don't derail this thread with this petty bickering about off-topic issues. Whatever peripheral disagreements we may have, this thread is specifically about uniting in our grief and outrage and calling out evil for what it is -- NO MATTER what our differences are.

Please?

If anything, "radicals" are being the most true to their beliefs. Modern christians or muslims are ignoring parts of their "holy" books in order to live modern normal lives.

It's fairly annoying to see people condemn radical islam but pretend that the religion is not the root cause of it.

originally posted by: DEANORULES24

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
We have to separate the idea of Islam from the radicalization of it, but to get that idea going we need to politicians and those with influence on society to first acknowledge that radical islamic terrorism exists.

We can't even start to have a national conversation until everyone stops acting like it's not real.

Once we acknowledge it then we can begin to educate on the differences between the two.

No one with a sound mind looks at the Westboro Baptist Church and claims that's how all Christians are. Yet, no-one denies they exist. We need to apply the same tactics to Islam.

Well said !

We know it exists in the U.K, we have lost many children to Islamic radicalisation.

We are trying to tackle it in schools and other educational institutions, everybody working in those establishments have been trained on how to look for the signs of it.

However, if we had stayed the hell out of the M.E and ceased the full on support of Israel, I'm sure we wouldn't be where we are now. But then again, maybe we would.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ketsuko

As to naming this ideology ... I don't care what we call it. Perhaps some of the resident Muslims would like to chime in since it is their religion that is getting maligned by them.

Islamic terror is fine by me.

I don't lose sleep over words.

I lose more sleep wondering about the sad state of the world due to incidents travesties like Orlando.

Homosexuals have always been the scape goat. That's not going to change. Tolerated but never accepted in America.

Just like minorities.

Yeah, but I have a _____friend.....

originally posted by: cuckooold

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
Where I draw the line is where they step into my life and try to compel me to participate in what I cannot take part in.

How has the gay intruded into your life? What were you personally compelled to do?

The gay dude who lives next door to my mother invited her over for a fabulous meal when she injured herself and was not able to cook. He also watered her house plants when she went overseas for a few weeks.

She felt obliged to thank him, and possibly return the culinary favour.

How shockingly intrusive.

That's what great neighbours do, regardless of all the other tags that are attached by some.

We are all human, well most, and we need to start respecting each other and yes, stand up to tyranny where we see it.

a reply to: blueman12

It's fairly annoying to see people condemn radical islam but pretend that the religion is not the root cause of it.

Given that many followers of the same faith condemn the radical members, as attested in the links in the OP and elsewhere, it is obviously not the religion itself. As well, given that people of no faith can exhibit equallly violent and evil behavior, it is obviously not religion itself. And given that people of all faiths are condemning all such radical and violent behavior by anyone for any reason, it is obviously not religion itself.

There are bad apples in every religion... there are also people of love and good will in every religion. This thread is about the latter.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Krazysh0t

We should stand together I agree.

But we can't or won't because we place more importance on "winning" and ideology than community.

ATS isn't a community. It's a competition of absurdity with teams, gangs, devotees and victims.

Ideology will always triumph over common sense; A result of our inherent tribalism, suspicion and fear.

Let love reign baby, good thread and very cool to see poster of different opinions say positive things, im lovin it.

Keep up the good vibes ats

originally posted by: cuckooold
The gay dude who lives next door to my mother invited her over for a fabulous meal when she injured herself and was not able to cook. He also watered her house plants when she went overseas for a few weeks.

Gay. Agenda. Confirmed.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's for another thread. Suffice it to say that if you do not bend over backwards to accept and approve of every single thing the LBGT lobby wants ...

bend over? accept?

Come this way please...Dr. Freud will see you now.

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agreed when Christians perform acts of terrorism maybe we should call it Christian terrorism, that idea doesn't bother me one bit.

Better would be if we just called all terrorism just that, Terrorism.

Would that not then just force one to add "committed by islamists" when discussing the issue?

After all, in order to having a meaningful discussion you need to specify what you are talking about. You cannot not differentiate between terrorists - the issues behind the terrorists acts in Northern Ireland is not the same as those in, say, Spain, Turkey or the United States.

a reply to: Boadicea

You're right. It's not the religion itself. However, religion is the root cause for hating homosexuals.

The quran and the bible condemn homosexuality. Homosexuality is often considered cause for punishment or execution in islamic cultures.

You can label those beliefs as extreme or radical, but those beliefs are just taking islam to its logical conclusion.

These religious extremists will exist as long as non-extremists continue to dance around the violent or cruel versus in their holy books.

originally posted by: blueman12
Pure idiocy. Why do people only believe in parts of a "holy" book? Homosexuality is condemned in these two religions. It is a punishable act.

I don't understand it. Are all religious folk so desperate for belief that they will ignore versus that don't pertain to modern society?

In defense of Christianity, no where does the new testament teach that gays should be "punished". In fact, Paul specifically says their fate is up to god, not followers of Christ. Shunned maybe, or denounced as sinful, but not physically punished.