Pediatric nurse sues Winnebago Co Health Dept after losing job for her beliefs

originally posted by: windword

Plan B is NOT an abortion pill. She was never required to perform abortions. She was required to inform patients of clinics that do, most probably in the form of pamphlets.

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In 2015, the County’s new Public Health Administrator, Dr. Sandra Martell, merged the pediatric clinic with women’s health services and mandated that all nurses be trained to provide abortion referrals and participate in the provision of abortifacients like Plan B.
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a reply to: TerryDon79

So then we shall find out in court right?

originally posted by: windword

Plan B is NOT an abortion pill...

DOI:
10.1179/2050854914Y.0000000026

Chris Kahlenborna, Rebecca Peckb & Walter B. Seversc

pages 18-33
Publishing models and article dates explained

Published online: 04 Dec 2014

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Abstract
There has been much debate regarding levonorgestrel emergency contraception's (LNG-EC's) method of action since 1999 when the Food and Drug Administration first approved its use. Proponents of LNG-EC have argued that they have moral certitude that LNG-EC works via a non-abortifacient mechanism of action, and claim that all the major scientific and medical data consistently support this hypothesis. However, newer medical data serve to undermine the consistency of the non-abortifacient hypothesis and instead support the hypothesis that preovulatory administration of LNG-EC has significant potential to work via abortion. The implications of the newer data have important ramifications for medical personnel, patients, and both Catholic and non-Catholic emergency room protocols. In the future, technology such as the use of early pregnancy factor may have the potential to quantify how frequently preovulatory LNG-EC works via abortion.

Lay Summary: How Plan B (levonorgestrel emergency contraception) works has been vigorously debated ever since the Food and Drug Administration approved it in 1999. Many doctors and researchers claim that it has either no—or at most—an extremely small chance of working via abortion. However, the latest scientific and medical evidence now demonstrates that levonorgestrel emergency contraception theoretically works via abortion quite often. The implications of the newer data have important ramifications for medical personnel, patients, and both Catholic and non-Catholic emergency room rape protocols.

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originally posted by: WeAre0ne
a reply to: TerryDon79

So then we shall find out in court right?

If there's a case, yeah. If there's not, then no.

Just because someone starts the precedings to a court case, doesn't mean there actually will be one (for many many reasons).

originally posted by: Liquesence
Should an ER Doctor be able to legally refuse to perform a life-saving operation on a gay person if said Doctor is against homosexuality?

Are you really trying to equate private sexual behavior with aborting an unborn human?

Contrary to what you've been told, abortion is a moral issue until the mother's health is at stake. Barring life threatening circumstances, abortion is a choice, not an unpreventable medical condition.

a reply to: dawnstar

Dawn, no matter how much you try to justify this it's truly the msnifestation of liberal fascism dictating to people what they can and will do according to the dictates of the supreme state. That's what fascism is that's what totalitarianism is and the abortion thing is a mandate of the liberal side of it.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

However, the latest scientific and medical evidence now demonstrates that levonorgestrel emergency contraception theoretically works via abortion quite often.

This isn't medical science. Plan B prevents implantation. No implantation, no pregnancy. No pregnancy, no abortion.

Most people think pregnancy begins when the female egg and the male sperm make that connection. In the medical field we actually define the pregnancy as beginning when the fertilized egg actually implants or beds itself into the uterus.www.sharecare.com... logref=Helpful_Button®ref=Helpful_Button

plan b is given to the patient within 72 hours of having sex...
the egg is fertilized in the fallopian tubes and it usually takes about three days before it enters the uterus.

Implantation typically occurs 6 to 10 days after ovulation, or day 20 to 24 of a menstrual cycle. However, it can happen a few days earlier or later. In an average 28-day cycle, ovulation occurs on day 14 with the first day of a woman's period being considered day 1 in a cycle. Once fertilization occurs, the egg stays in the fallopian tube for three days before entering the uterus and begins to implant itself to the uterine lining.
www.thebabycorner.com...

so, the plan b is given to the patient before the egg has an opportunity to implant itself into the uterus. if plan b works like other hormonal birth control, it also does a few things to make it harder for the sperm to fertilize the egg but if the egg does happen to be fertilized plan b has a backup for this. it will prevent the uterus from going through the natural changes that prepared the uterus for implantation. basically it works like any other type of hormonal birth control, as well as the iud... it doesn't kill the fertile egg it just makes it less likely to implant and grow in the uterus.

the women does nothing directly to kill the fertilized egg... what she does it alter her own uterus. which is part of her body.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

the County’s new Public Health Administrator, Dr. Sandra Martell, merged the pediatric clinic with women’s health services and mandated that all nurses be trained to provide abortion referrals and participate in the provision of abortifacients like Plan B.

Plan B is NOT an abortion pill. Your source is intellectually dishonest. Also, providing abortion referrals, in other words, telling women where abortion services are available, because they are not being done at that clinic, is NOT the same as"performing abortions".

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

so you think that requiring doctors to take the necessary measure (including abortions) to preserve the health of the mother as being fascist....
okay...

but I see prohibiting doctors from take those necessary measures as being just as fascist.

originally posted by: windword

This isn't medical science. Plan B prevents implantation. No implantation, no pregnancy. No pregnancy, no abortion.

What the hell are you talking about?... I gave a link to a medical research...

Here it was published in another medical journal...

Linacre Q. 2015 Feb;82(1):18-33. doi: 10.1179/2050854914Y.0000000026.
Mechanism of action of levonorgestrel emergency contraception.
Kahlenborn C1, Peck R2, Severs WB3.
Author information
Abstract

There has been much debate regarding levonorgestrel emergency contraception's (LNG-EC's) method of action since 1999 when the Food and Drug Administration first approved its use. Proponents of LNG-EC have argued that they have moral certitude that LNG-EC works via a non-abortifacient mechanism of action, and claim that all the major scientific and medical data consistently support this hypothesis. However, newer medical data serve to undermine the consistency of the non-abortifacient hypothesis and instead support the hypothesis that preovulatory administration of LNG-EC has significant potential to work via abortion. The implications of the newer data have important ramifications for medical personnel, patients, and both Catholic and non-Catholic emergency room protocols. In the future, technology such as the use of early pregnancy factor may have the potential to quantify how frequently preovulatory LNG-EC works via abortion. Lay Summary: How Plan B (levonorgestrel emergency contraception) works has been vigorously debated ever since the Food and Drug Administration approved it in 1999. Many doctors and researchers claim that it has either no-or at most-an extremely small chance of working via abortion. However, the latest scientific and medical evidence now demonstrates that levonorgestrel emergency contraception theoretically works via abortion quite often. The implications of the newer data have important ramifications for medical personnel, patients, and both Catholic and non-Catholic emergency room rape protocols.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Now you're even twisting words of your "evidence". Having the potential to do something and it actually doing something are different. My car has the potential to cause death, but hasn't since I've owned it.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

However, newer medical data serve to undermine the consistency of the non-abortifacient hypothesis and instead support the hypothesis that preovulatory administration of LNG-EC has significant potential to work via abortion.

The only way that this statement is true is by redefining "pregnancy". Plan B prevents implantation. No implantation, no pregnancy.

Plan B doesn't cause an already implanted embryo to abort. And, your source doesn't say that it does.

which is what the problem is, yous are using two different definations for pregnancy...

from the full text of that study:

Argument Number 1: Redefinition of Pregnancy

Some today advance the argument that LNG-EC is not abortifacient because they attempt to define pregnancy as beginning at implantation and argue that any loss of life prior to implantation is not abortion. This definition was first promoted by the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)2 in 1965 (American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Terminology Bulletin 1965), who attempted to redefine life as beginning at implantation. If one accepts this definition, then one may conveniently forgo mentioning its abortifacient effect to patients, as any destruction of life prior to implantation would be defined as “prior to being pregnant.” This argument justifies its conclusions by arbitrarily altering the definition of when life begins. We consider this argument devoid of biological accuracy. For clarity, the terms used in this paper accept the definition that any hormone or device that causes an artificial interruption of life after fertilization is an abortifacient.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

To be fair, the nurse should have expected that she'd lose her freedom to work while having Christian religious convictions.

But on the plus side, she could pee in the mens room if she wanted to!

a reply to: dawnstar

At fertilization/conception is when a new life begins.

Pregnancy and Conception

Most of the time, you won't know the exact day you got pregnant. Your doctor will count the start of your pregnancy from the first day of your last menstrual period. That's about 2 weeks ahead of when conception happens.
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Fertilization

If one sperm does make its way into the fallopian tube and burrows into the egg, it fertilizes the egg. The egg changes so that no other sperm can get in.

At the instant of fertilization, your baby's genes and sex are set. If the sperm has a Y chromosome, your baby will be a boy. If it has an X chromosome, the baby will be a girl.

Implantation: Moving to the Uterus

The egg stays in the fallopian tube for about 3 to 4 days. But within 24 hours of being fertilized, it starts dividing fast into many cells. It keeps dividing as it moves slowly through the fallopian tube to the uterus. Its next job is to attach to the lining of uterus. This is called implantation.

Some women notice spotting (or slight bleeding) for 1 or 2 days around the time of implantation. The lining of the uterus gets thicker and the cervix is sealed by a plug of mucus. It will stay in place until the baby is ready to be born.

www.webmd.com...

A new human life does not begin at implantation, it begins at fertilization/conception.

con·cep·tion (kən-sĕp′shən)
n.
1.
a. Formation of a viable zygote by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; fertilization.
b. The entity formed by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; an embryo or zygote.
2.
a. The ability to form or understand mental concepts and abstractions: happiness beyond conception.
b. Something conceived in the mind or believed by a group of people; a concept, thought, or belief: the medieval conception of justice. See Synonyms at idea.
c. The beginning or formation of an idea or plan: She was involved in the project from its conception.

www.thefreedictionary.com...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

At fertilization/conception is when a new life begins.

Well, "new life" as you put it, is not the same thing as "pregnant". A woman becomes pregnant when the embryo implants in her uterus. No pregnancy, no abortion. PERIOD.

As far as "when life begins"....there is no magic "life fairy" that bestows life where it didn't exist before. The egg and sperm are both alive. There is no "new life", there is only preexisting life that has been transformed through a chemical reaction.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

that might be so, but then, you are objecting to not only plan b, but also every other hormonal birth control along with the iud and maybe other forms, leaving women with very little effective ways to control how many births they have in their lifetime as well as how often they have them.
and having too many pregnancies too close together poses health risks to women.

and here's what that new life looks like when that plan b medication is given.

en.wikipedia.org...

as well as the stages it goes through to become a fetus.

a reply to: dawnstar

and, As far as I have read in that paper that you have posted, it seems that plan b mainly effects how the women's body is acting, or not acting... the fertilized egg might be slowed down in the fallopian tube, the uterine wall might not be equipped to allow implantation, ect. all of these is effects within the women's body, not on the fertilized egg.
it's causing the women's body not to be as receptive to pregnancy, and isn't attacking the fertilized egg... unless you want to read though that report yourself and show me where I am wrong.

women's body, women's uterus, if she wants to make it less receptive to fertilized eggs, well, maybe that is her choice?