"To Bernie voters left out in the cold by a rigged system, we welcome you with open arms".

a reply to: Sublimecraft

They might go Trump. They might not vote. They might vote for third party, either Green if they're real little Watermelons or Libertarian if they just want to get high. In fact, the spike in Johnson numbers might not be so much disaffected Republicans as it might be disaffected Bernie voters.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I "know I'm wrong" because I don't agree with you? Well, you should have just declared yourself all-knowing at the beginning and saved us both some time.

Not.

Any little issue in your "reality" simply doesn't support a difference of 3.7 MILLION popular votes. Real Clear Politics 2016 Popular Vote Count

Faith and blindness? Is that what you call disagreeing with irrational "Bernie Math" these days? I STATED above that election fraud exists? Are you merely unable to process those words, or merely blatantly misrepresenting the truth???

Election fraud has never been found to exist in any significant, election changing way at the national level. And the matter has been investigated from the local dog-catcher level to the national level by the Bush Justice Department that desperately WANTED TO FIND IT ... and they didn't.

The idea itself is irrational mostly because of our system of voting precincts.

"Sticking my head in the sand"? Lawsuits are usually filed by the losers who are simply unable to accept that they were rejected, as the INDEPENDENT Bernie Sanders has been rejected by American Democrats.

Why don't' you CITE whatever "lawsuit" you're so blatantly misrepresenting? I've asked for specifics and you've responded with BS accusations about my own "faith." Could it be that you're silent because you're plainly aware at some level, far below your obsessive affection for your preferred candidate, that even if some election fraud is found (a foregone conclusion) it will not make a 3,720,351 vote difference at the national level.

Bernie lost, Hillary won. You don't have to move along, but that's the fact.

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: enlightenedservant

That's fine. Don't vote for Trump. Voting for anything is better than voting for Hillary.

Just know that when you do vote for her, you are supporting pedophilia and rape.

I wonder what Bill will be doing when he gets back in the White House?

You know, you had an occasional point slipped into your regular obsessive BS.

Making a claim that a vote for HIllary is a "vote for pedophilia" ... is just beyond the pale.

You guys are already this desperate and irrational?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Do an ATS search for Jeffrey Epstein and read up. If you don't feel like looking at the information, then keep your abrasive comments to yourself.

Multiple people have posted about this and it is public information. Why is every one of your posts so dismissive and abrasive?

It seems like you focus specifically on disrupting anything you disagree with or can't believe.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

There is mounds of evidence of Bill Clinton being a rapist. This is not old news, and it is not an "allegation." Just because they are one of the most untouchable and powerful political families in the world does not mean that the public should let them pull the wool over our eyes. The justice system won't do it's job here, but why should we as citizens just let them get away with it?

Do a search for Jeffrey Epstein on ATS, there are numerous threads about this guy. There is also plenty of information in the mainstream media as well.

Calling me stupid in an off-handed manner is real nice. Go look it up and judge for yourself instead of spending your time calling people stupid. Maybe spend some of that effort actually researching what your candidate is all about.

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: Gryphon66

Do an ATS search for Jeffrey Epstein and read up. If you don't feel like looking at the information, then keep your abrasive comments to yourself.

Multiple people have posted about this and it is public information. Why is every one of your posts so dismissive and abrasive?

It seems like you focus specifically on disrupting anything you disagree with or can't believe.

Yes, when you have zero evidence, try to make it about the guy who called you on it.

Trust me, you really have no standing to critique anyone else's tone. Virtually every post you make is full of vitriol and laced with spite.

Focus on the facts. Do you have any facts to back up your claim that either Clinton is a) a pedophile or b) a rapist.

Waving your hands at propagandizing nonsense and basically saying "everybody knows" is not even in the neighborhood of proof.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: enlightenedservant

That's fine. Don't vote for Trump. Voting for anything is better than voting for Hillary.

Just know that when you do vote for her, you are supporting pedophilia and rape.

I wonder what Bill will be doing when he gets back in the White House?

You know, you had an occasional point slipped into your regular obsessive BS.

Making a claim that a vote for HIllary is a "vote for pedophilia" ... is just beyond the pale.

You guys are already this desperate and irrational?

In a word? Yes. It doesn't matter how much I've spoken against the Clintons, either. Trump fans seem stuck in that zero-sum mindset of "All or nothing/You agree with us or you're an enemy".

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: enlightenedservant

1. I'm not a Hillary supporter. I've said a lot right here on ATS. I'm a far left/treehugging/SJW/ideologue/socialist who's only supporting Bernie because his platform is the closest to my own.

We're like twins!!

Also, did winston happen to say what "notorious pedophile ring" the Clintons hang out with?
Silliness.

Yep, he/she did. I think he's referring to Epstein. I saw several articles saying that Bill was on Epstein's plane. But like I've said in this thread, I wouldn't be voting for Hillary because of any of that. I just want whichever candidates will work towards my priorities.

Permit me to add my 2c about people refusing to give up discredited ideas and/or find compromise.

Growing up in the 1950-60s, when we studied government we learned about the political spectrum. There is on the right, far right, conservative side an extreme view called "reactionary". By definition, reactionary is "characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative." There is no compromise. The GOP has allowed their reactionaries to take control of the party; it is easy to use reactionary fear to garner votes.

There is also an extremist conservative paranoid faction, groups such as the John Birch Society, who also were allowed to take over the GOP. Again, using paranoid fear to garner a fearful, reactionary voting base. Irrational fear and paranoia combined with hatred of all things liberal give us much of what we see espoused in social media these days and passed around mainstream channels by "experts".

There is no compromise in reactionaries, there is nothing less than conspiracy in the paranoid groups. Thus, we see that someone could easily latch on to a discredited idea and use it to their advantage.

Likewise, spreading such discredited ideas as part of (or now in conjunction with) a political campaign is the stuff of dirty tricks. It is the bs stuff used to persuade people. It is not truth; and if not outright lies, then suspicion and innuendo created to look as if the truth is being hidden by the opposition.

There is no shame, hasn't been for over a couple decades now. Whatever works, the ends justify the means. Interesting, that in a (labeled) Christian nation, there are those not beyond bearing false witness and spreading gossip, going against what their religion teaches. Shame on them. Or, if they can't help it, then shame on those that use them for gain.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

No way will any Bernie supporter switch to Drumpf. Good luck! Most won't switch to Shillary either.