MPs warn voters being 'conned' as Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after referendum

Liam Fox, the former defence secretary who served under David Cameron, told The Telegraph that the ambitions showed the EU is wedded to the “dangerous fantasy” of creating a single defence force.

Another eurosceptic Tory MP said voters were being “deceived” and “hoodwinked” about the true scale of the EU’s drive to create a single army.

MPs warn voters being 'conned' as Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after referendum

Vote Brexit!

a reply to: T3mp0ra1Pri50n3r

Whats scary is once there is an E.U. army they can take us to war against countries with have no gripe with but even more scarier is that Britain will have a foreign occupying army in its own country and if there is any civil unrest they will have an Army unsympathetic to the citizens it will be sent out to slaughter.
It's part of the plan of the New World Orders Globalization of the Planet.

Well that army won't do them any good after they're already infiltrated from within by the Mooslims.

They already rolled out the red carpet for their enemy.

a reply to: southbeach

As in a draft...

originally posted by: MysticPearl
Well that army won't do them any good after they're already infiltrated from within by the Mooslims.

They already rolled out the red carpet for their enemy.

Thats also part of the plan to implement Martial Law.
First off bring in a totalitarian religion that makes its own special demands and refuses to assimilate,then use that religion to shut down peoples free speech by the rabid system of political correctness which causes massive resentment in the native population.
Then allow homegrown and foreign born Jihadis to shoot bomb and plot against everyone not them in the host nation and the resentment will grow stronger in the shadows by the hen pecked population until far right wing groups emerge who the Government then blames for the radical Islamists killing people saying they are provoking them by standing against these lunatics.
Next......a clash of civilizations as the criminal elements of the Western Governments serve up a two tier justice system that gives Moslems lighter sentences for the same types of crimes being perpetuated by White Christians and Bingo the right gets more people joining even Sikhs,Hindus and the odd Jew which leads into mass protests which the Moslems do a counter protest to which leads to mass violence and add in a couple of false flags here and there and BOOM.......Martial Law...all in our benefit....

I am sat in a pub having a beer so I could be seeing the World through alcohol induced glasses so take it with a pinch of salt but there is a plan that will benefit the elites by importing lunatic Jihadis.

a reply to: T3mp0ra1Pri50n3r


Apparently there are a whole raft of things including an EU army

which is being kept under wraps by the EU until after the referendum....

whats the betting loosing the £ is one of them.

This Liam Fox?...

Arsehole.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: southbeach

As in a draft...

No they don't need a draft,if you read Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley which is basically a book on the modern history of humanity in stunning detail you will see that when the civilian population has arms that are equivalent to that of the Government then you get a Government that is non Totalitarian because they are kept in check by their own people but when the Government surpasses it's constituents in terms of arms then it will start to lean in the direction of despotism which is why the likes of Mao and Hitler banned the guns before they turned into raging mass murdering egomaniacal lunatics.
If you look at Europe nobody is armed bar the Swiss, how would the British stand up to an occupying New World Order Force under the guise of an E.U. army..with catapults and belt buckles and the odd Cricket bat.

The article is in the Telegraph, which is rabidly anti-EU and is rapidly going downhill as a newspaper. Liam Fox is also a deeply untrustworthy weasel. Oh and the GB Government has the right to veto any such plan. So: total honk.

a reply to: T3mp0ra1Pri50n3r

There are plans to 'give' even more power to the centralised government in Brussels.
This will mean that Brussels will have authority over the elected national assemblies of all constituent EU nations.

So we may at some point in the future have a scenario whereby an EU Army can enforce EU legislation in the UK which is not in the interest or wishes of the British people and possibly supress any opposition.

Not good.

I understand the benefits of a joint defence policy but the thought of an EU Army under the command of the EU state is quite worrying.

a reply to: gortex

Nobody cares.

Apathy rules.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Liam Fox is also a deeply untrustworthy weasel.

As is David Cameron.
And Gideon Osbourne.
And Boris Johnson.
And Ian Duncan Smith.
And Jeremy Corbyn.
Etc, etc, etc.........

Your point is?

Oh and the GB Government has the right to veto any such plan.

Has it?

On paper it may currently have the power of veto, however, future EU legislation and dictates may strip the UK of its veto and the UK would be powerless to do anything about it.

So: total honk.

I'm not too sure - when considering the stated desire of the EU to work towards full political union it is therefore natural to suspect that such a Union would want Armed Services.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
The article is in the Telegraph, which is rabidly anti-EU and is rapidly going downhill as a newspaper. Liam Fox is also a deeply untrustworthy weasel. Oh and the GB Government has the right to veto any such plan. So: total honk.

While my grandfather was from England, I am a Yankee who went through america's public school system. So forgive me if I don't have a grasp of commonwealth law. Does not the Queen have the right to Veto any law also?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
The article is in the Telegraph, which is rabidly anti-EU and is rapidly going downhill as a newspaper. Liam Fox is also a deeply untrustworthy weasel. Oh and the GB Government has the right to veto any such plan. So: total honk.

VETO? What veto?

The UK Government's votes fail to block a single EU measure

....www.express.co.uk...

I have no problem if people want to vote Brexit. But I do have a problem when they're doing so because they believe things that are patently completely untrue.

There is no plan for a secret EU army. Every EU nation is far too attached to having their own armed forces, the French, the Germans, the British, they are never going to hand over control. That's simply not going to happen.


Nor is there any secret plan to make us abandon Sterling. There is absolutely zero mechanism by which the EU can oblige the UK to adopt the Euro. We exercised our opt-out over that, and we are out. It's simply not going to happen.

It's about time we left this organisation that has achieved what Napoleon and Hitler wanted so badly but could never have.

They cry about how they "need us". Shame, because we sure as hell don't need you. Your collapse would be a great justice for this world.

originally posted by: thinline

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
The article is in the Telegraph, which is rabidly anti-EU and is rapidly going downhill as a newspaper. Liam Fox is also a deeply untrustworthy weasel. Oh and the GB Government has the right to veto any such plan. So: total honk.

While my grandfather was from England, I am a Yankee who went through america's public school system. So forgive me if I don't have a grasp of commonwealth law. Does not the Queen have the right to Veto any law also?

No, Brenda wouldn't refuse to sign anything. She has no formal powers - she is monarch with the consent of Parliament. She would also refuse to set a precedent by objecting to anything.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
The article is in the Telegraph, which is rabidly anti-EU and is rapidly going downhill as a newspaper. Liam Fox is also a deeply untrustworthy weasel. Oh and the GB Government has the right to veto any such plan. So: total honk.

VETO? What veto?

The UK Government's votes fail to block a single EU measure

....www.express.co.uk...

(Hysterical laughter)
Don't read the Express, it'll rot your brain. Seriously, it hasn't been a real paper for decades. These days it's mouthpiece for Desmond to rant about things that he knows nothing about.
Here's a more reliable source.

originally posted by: Painterz
I have no problem if people want to vote Brexit. But I do have a problem when they're doing so because they believe things that are patently completely untrue.

Patently completely untrue??? You have evidence of that??

or just patently completely assuming?

There is no plan for a secret EU army. Every EU nation is far too attached to having their own armed forces, the French, the Germans, the British, they are never going to hand over control. That's simply not going to happen.

^^^^^ the underlined .... You have it on good authority i take it?

The French, the Germans, the British .... what about the 20 plus other members?

or they just relying on the services of the French, German and British.

Nor is there any secret plan to make us abandon Sterling. There is absolutely zero mechanism by which the EU can oblige the UK to adopt the Euro. We exercised our opt-out over that, and we are out. It's simply not going to happen.

Are you sure about that Even the pathetic *so called amendments*

David Cameron is supposed to have gained from Brussels can and will be over

turned if it suits the EU bureaucracy.


When the vote is to remain IN we will have lost ALL OUR BARGAINING power

and we will have to do WHAT BRUSSELS TELLS US WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

the anti eu types have declared there would be an eu army since the 70's.
remember the telegraph is owned by one of ukip's biggest sponsors, and wants britain out.

a reply to: Freeborn

Apathy rules.

Not sure if it's apathy or just lack of interest in political issues that don't involve Trump , Clinton or the Mandela effect.