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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Liquesence
We're too brainwashed and conditioned to openly accept something different
I disagree, Islam is submission and a way of life, one branch being the religious aspect - it is an all encompassing ethos to live by.
In this regard, for many non-Muslims to accept this would by virtue of that fact, also mean that they would have to tolerate and maybe even submit to aspects of Islam which are incompatible with entrenched western values - a fundamental being the freedom to not practice religion.
IMO, Islamophobia is a label applied as a means of controlling opposition to the apparent forced acceptance of something many folks simply do not want, and when those voices are ignored by political representatives matters will take their natural course.
Many people feel Islam is a threat to their way of life because it is as much a religion as it is a political and social movement with massive internal issues and no clear authority.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Liquesence
je suis Charlie Hebdo
Many people feel Islam is a threat to their way of life because it is as much a religion as it is a political and social movement with massive internal issues and no clear authority.
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: yuppa
I figured you would go the sharia argument route eventually, since it's a convenient talking point.
They can integrate and still retain their culture without trying to change US law or policy, which most of them do.
And most of them do not "retain loyalty to their home country" over US loyalty.
They want a better life and they want to remain Muslim. Which they do. Then, however, intolerant American jerkoffs start in with the BS like you have, which is what this thread addresses.
Come off it.
DOnt go there. Im tolerant of others so long as they abide by the same laws i have to abide by. Sublimecraft hits it on the head what i actually meant to imply.
Congressional testimony suggests that 80% of the Mosques in the United States are controlled by radical imams. American Muslims are moderate but with imams intent on radicalization, things could change. We therefore need to rid our vernacular and our government policies of Political Correctness so we can have rational discussions on the issue.
There is concrete evidence that radical, terror-connected imams are active in the United States.
originally posted by: yuppa
the US is inclusive IF YOU ACTUALLY TRY TO BECOME A AMERICAN. Not if you come here expecting US to change to suit you.
originally posted by: ThoughtIsMadness
originally posted by: yuppa
the US is inclusive IF YOU ACTUALLY TRY TO BECOME A AMERICAN. Not if you come here expecting US to change to suit you.
This statement is not inclusive. It is the very definition of exclusive. You must try to become AMERICAN or else. Take a look at how things are in America, not from a tribal perspective. But historically speaking the melting pot you speak of did not even recognize Black people as human. There is also the small need to mention a complete genocide of the native population. The exclusionary immigration policies of the U.S against the Mexican/Latino population. The list of exclusion is endless.
The real problem that America is facing, at least as I see it is the power of majority has historically rested with the number of educated voting middle class white Americanthe buying power of the masses was held in place by the manufacturing sector after WW2.That population group was a majority, but if you look at the demographics of the American population now and into the next decade you will get a different picture entirely. So the racist undertones that are circulating in forums and coffee shops across America are not the fault of any secular group but the selling off of the manufacturing sector the eradication of tariffs that kept American companies competitive and the resulting collapse of middle American buying power. White America is not the majority any longer and was only held in place by repressive policies that did not recognize the true melting pot that America really is. The separation of Church and State really is one of the most important concepts to keep. Because a secular tribal mindset is the only way to destroy what America stands for FREEDOM.
Now onto the Muslims and Islam.
That is the first time I've even mentioned a religion. This is because Religions themselves are completely and strictly exclusionary. Nothing more needs to be said about that.
What I think is really happening is that the majority of white middle class America is going through its death throws and without some drastic and repressive policies to change the inevitable power shift it will continue.
America is looking for any advantage, whether secular tribal or exclusionary they will take it. Tryanny is not far behind.
Research shows that nine (9) out of ten (10) stories by news media outlets located in the U.S., U.K. and Germany portray Islam and Muslims in the context of violence: terrorists or warlords.
Christians killing Muslims? ............like 3?
Wrong. When you become a american you are to adapt our culture and assimilate. it builds national unity and keeps the nation safer. Sure keep your traditions but its not right to come here and expect Americans to adapt to your ways.
When you go to another country they want you to assimilate as well. So why is it wrong to ask the same?
the implication that hate crimes and "Islamophobia" are the result of political rhetoric and news reporting, as opposed to being a reaction to the violence and terror committed in the name of Islam, is utter nonsense.