The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

a reply to: Ruiner1978

his videos have probably been posted about 40-50 times
he is clinically deranged though, since he lost three of his kids in the other world.
only, thats not how ME works. At all...
So I would advice strongly against listening to anything this man says...

That said, South America (which has also been stated a zillion times) does look too far to the right

originally posted by: WeSbO
a reply to: Ruiner1978

I must admit that this placement of south america is so familiar, seeing it like that just makes my brain say "yep that's it" (didn't have to look at it and think about it)

Exactly!
Weird isn't it?
The "actual" position of it now is totally out of whack, not just to me, but also EVERYONE I've asked personally, some Australian YouTuber, and now you.
The thing that gets me is NO ONE I've asked face to face has said the positions of South America and Australia look normal. I've had various reactions from freak outs with a lot of effing and blinding to suddenly looking a bit ill and changing the subject.

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: Ruiner1978

his videos have probably been posted about 40-50 times

he is clinically deranged though, since he lost three of his kids in the other world.
only, thats not how ME works. At all...
So I would advice strongly against listening to anything this man says...

That said, South America (which has also been stated a zillion times) does look too far to the right

The reason for posting that video was to show exactly where me and the others I mentioned remember the position of South America being. Saves me photoshopping it.
Let's try not to detract from the point I'm making with irrelevant personal opinions of individuals.

Unless you were being deliberately suggestive..?

a reply to: Ruiner1978

Suggestive regarding?

Anyway, how would you describe a person who believes he has lost three children in another dimension?
My point is, that this man should be avoided like the plague in regards to ME -
instead he is garnering 10s of thousands of views. That disturbs me greatly. I dont think anyone affected by the ME has not watched at least some part of some of his vids.
Linking his videos in this thread again and again and again - also disturbs me greatly, hence why I commented.

I also ended with a statement that I agree with you on the point you was making.

I've being looking at Google maps, and there are a lot of places that look out of scale (When I have a bit of time I will look at the surface areas of countries and look if they are to scale on google MAPS compared to others). Google maps is looking compressed, everything seems closer. Looking at Great Britain compared to Germany, it does look like GB wouldn't fit in germany, knowing that it is less than 2/3 the size of Germany. Granted it could be an optical illusion, and probably is.

Though I could understand why they would want to screw with the scaling, make people feel that everyone is really close, and that borders are useless (NWO stuff)

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: Ruiner1978

Suggestive regarding?

Anyway, how would you describe a person who believes he has lost three children in another dimension?
My point is, that this man should be avoided like the plague in regards to ME -
instead he is garnering 10s of thousands of views. That disturbs me greatly. I dont think anyone affected by the ME has not watched at least some part of some of his vids.
Linking his videos in this thread again and again and again - also disturbs me greatly, hence why I commented.

I also ended with a statement that I agree with you on the point you was making.

However, this is the penultimate, personal, fallout of this anomaly, is it not?

If this not the most personal experience of the time anomaly at work? And we label him as deranged so readily, while accepting and entertaining the anomaly on all other symptoms of it? To dismiss his perception of it, while accepting and debating the "depends" argument and other less personal, advertising bents of the same time anomalous issues seems to be rejecting, out of hand, what would be most painful of all the symptomology of this particular issue, seems quite callous to me, when surely it should be considered: i.e. if you accept that people are confused over maps and historical anomalous evidence (anecdotal though it be, and supported by others sharing less, shall we say, personal fallout from the perception) and we've entertained for many pages discussions attendant to advertising evidence, but brand this man as "crazy and delusional" seems to me to be somewhat hypocritical.

He isn't the only one with such stories, but perhaps one of the bravest and most significant, as he's brave enough to disclose quite person details of this anomalous situation as it pertains to his quite personally, instead of debated much less personal experiential detials relating to products changing....instead divulging a quite personal and obvious continuum of this particular quandary.....

Surely, if many think maps have changed and names or products have changed and we are willing to debate that for many pages, but dismiss a person with such a personal related, story as delusional, this is the height of hypocracy, as surely someone is going to be brave enough to show up and give an example of how it most personally transcended the microcosmic effect of this to relate it to a most personal macrocosm (or vice versa), and to dismiss his observance and personal story as delusional can only be seen as predjudical and frankly, dismissed out of hand as delusional, is simply a result of the very fear of how personally it could be affecting lives: And NO ONE would want to believe that even possible. And so it's so easy to dismiss that as "delusional." However, if you entertain the possibility of it being the reality fo our existence, it is the most scary, personal example of it, to date.

He isn't alone.
tetra

Another point about this issue: we've consistently in this thread related, as some kind of evidence, music lyrics, literature, and even motion pictures that depict this particular idea/concept. There are certainly movies that suggest such is so. And we all realize, I think, that cannot be addressed in a concrete, scientific manner, that we are provided hints that such may be experienced on a global level in popular culture via what I've described: in literature, musical lyrics, and motion pictures, when there may be no other way to allude to it.

The Forgotten is a 2004 American science fiction psychological thriller drama film, directed by Joseph Ruben and starring Julianne Moore and Dominic West.

The film's plot revolves around a woman who thinks that she lost her son in a plane crash 14 months ago, only to wake up one morning and be told that she never had a son. All of her memories are intact but with no physical evidence that contradicts the claims of her husband and her psychiatrist, she sets out in search for solid evidence of her son's existence.

a reply to: tetra50

The thing with ME though, is that this psy-op affects everyone who are affected, in much similar ways.
The same erroneous memories. The same type of cognitive effects (to those resisting the false memories), and so on.
It is NOT something that erases your children. Neither physically nor in memory.
That is too specific. For a psy-op of this magnitude to work, the memory manipulation must be general, broad, and insignificant.
(Depends->Depend)
Losing three children defies logic in every single way in regards to ME.

edit:
I said deranged, though. Not delusional.
Everyone with ME are de facto delusional per definition - although far from deranged.
Delusional isnt even a derogatory word. It is just what it is.
Deranged however, is a far more harsh word with derogatory undertones.

U guys r idiots wtf

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: tetra50

The thing with ME though, is that this psy-op affects everyone who are affected, in much similar ways.
The same erroneous memories. The same type of cognitive effects (to those resisting the false memories), and so on.
It is NOT something that erases your children. Neither physically nor in memory.
That is too specific. For a psy-op of this magnitude to work, the memory manipulation must be general, broad, and insignificant.
(Depends->Depend)
Losing three children defies logic in every single way in regards to ME.

edit:
I said deranged, though. Not delusional.
Everyone with ME are de facto delusional per definition - although far from deranged.
Delusional isnt even a derogatory word. It is just what it is.
Deranged however, is a far more harsh word with derogatory undertones.

Respectfully, in my vast and personal experience with psy-ops, the thing is that some of it is true and some of it not.
That's where the confusion and plausible deniability of them come into play, where they can never be nailed down, nor recognized truly for what they are.

I see so many of you trying to disseminate the truth or falsehood of these things with absolutes: in other words, it's either all true, or all not. But the secret of the good psy-ops, is that there is always some truth and some lies. In this way it can never be nailed down nor sorted out, as just obfuscation or complete truth. That leads to the lack of reaching any real reaching of truth, and only serves to divide and concquer. This is the whole point of psy-ops, to divide, obfuscate and never reach any truth, while people are increasingly divided over it.

This is the truth and motivation for any successful psy-ops. It is the psychological game to discredit anyone attempting to expose the real truths of the situation. That's why it's a psychological game of manipulation operation. It is the very nature of that excercise.

Knowing that is to understand that there is always some truth being hidden by that psychological manipulation, so that those suffering the consequences of such appear to be delusional or worse.

There is a commercial on television right now for Direct TV, with Bon Jovi playing his Turn Back Time song, where there is a direct reference to reconsidering the birth of "that second child," where the child disappears, Poof.
The movies, commercials, song lyrics, literature, respectfully, sir, that shows just this possible anomoly are playing out right under your nose. And the cruelest part of that, is the psy-ops in place making a joke of people's memories attendant to that, making it easy and even a joke that this is a shared consciousness even as it rises and is now spoken of. That so few see that and recognize the meaning of it is quite disturbing.

Consder the manipulation of time, reserach it, I suggest, before being so sure that time is what you think it is, and what your concrete perceptions of it are.

tetra

Further, if your memories can be erased, supplanted, usurped, it's entirely possible that you have lost children, lived a whole different life, pieces missing.....

A horribly cruel reality. The technology exists today to lead you to see whatever is manipulated. Equally so, your memories supplanted, removed, etc. You think under those circumstances that perception is so concrete, that sanity is so concrete, that what is delusion and what is fact is so easily discernible?

In what I describe, you could easily have lost children, loved ones, important and vital essences of your life, achievements, successes, and whole portions of what was once real, while what is supplanted, less real, becomes a perception, at least for a while, without any real "bleed through," that one's life was totally differenct than it actually was.....

Some of us do, in fact, remember children, no longer here.....
And the facts of MK Ultra, mind control, technological manipulation certainly support the possibility that this could have happened. And it is the cruelest of the cruel. For as parents, we hold most sacred the protection of the most helpless that rely upon us to keep them safe....
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

The problem is that the memories replaced and manipulated are broad, general and insignificant.
Anyone who believes they have lost children should definitely seek acute psychiatric care!


a reply to: ssenerawa

a reply to: tetra50

Further, if your memories can be erased, supplanted, usurped, it's entirely possible that you have lost children, lived a whole different life, pieces missing.....

Except that it would require an enormous effort to alter the physical evidence. If "they" were to implant a false memory that you had children, it would take very little time to determine that none of your relatives, friends, and family ever saw them. If they created the false memory that you now have two children, the children would have to come from somewhere. All of which begs the question: why would anyone want to do that in the first place? (I cant believe I'm bumping this thread again.)

a reply to: tetra50

Only that would require tons of work. All physical evidence of having children would have to be removed. This is the fallacy that ME purports fail to see. If the physical evidence disagrees with you, then it is your memories that are wrong, not the physical evidence.

Accepting his reality at his word would be endorsing his delusion. If we did that, then we'd have a lot of schizophrenics running around not being treated and we'd just accept that they are seeing what we aren't.

Though I don't want to get in the discution concerning the mental health of this person (not really relevant) , in this particular case, you wouldn't need to remove any physical evidence, you only have to make the person believe he had kids to make him believe that they have disappeared. implanting false memories of having kids.

a reply to: WeSbO

good point!

Respectfully, it stands to reason that if you had children that were taken from you, and your memory of them erased, certainly many would have to be involved in that. It wouldn't simply be a case of an erased memory of them.
Nor does it seem beyond the pale of reason, as in many, many children seem to go missing. What more seemless way to take them?

The whole point of removing people's memories, altering their experience of their lives in this way, certainly, lends itself to less than wholesome or therapeutic motivations. It's as controlling as it gets.

a reply to: tetra50

By your very reasoning there we be no record of the child ever having gone missing...

a reply to: raymundoko

Exactly.

And everything removed referring to their birth, as well. Except, let's say, one picture......and the memory.
And then the way psy-ops works, with some things true and others not, to obfuscate and perpetuate plausible deniability, there would be others with all attendant records, of the child missing, and that they existed in birth records.

Psychological operations are complex in a very purposeful way, so that nothing can be proven. That's the whole point. But it doesn't mean all memories are false when differing from others' memories, or that all seeming "shifts" are accurate, either.

Exactly, an impossible task. I'm glad you agree. The guy who thinks he lost 3 kids needs serious psychological help.

a reply to: tetra50