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Excellent point William. And the plot thickens...

I'm sure the response will be something to the effect of: "Spam is part of the plot to track you", or some such nonsense.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
Gotta love the Newbies.

The worlds out to get them. Don't worry, after a few weeks here you tend to become skeptical and jaded.

And the government does not care about this place. I have repeatedly made statements that have gotten others arrested, announced that I was going to an American Military Base, where it would be easiest to arrest me, and nothing has happened to me. I will try it again:

HEY G-STRING MAN! Yeah, you yah Government Censor. I will be in the USA in a little over a week, arrest me then, M*****F****er!

XAS

[Edited on 16-6-2003 by xaos]

Nothing like fear to create compartamentalization. lol I think I have see about 4 or 5 posts along these lines sense I have been comming to ats over the last few years. Never the less I always ask the same question over and over again. Surpose the government or a small group there of. Is tracking everything I type and say. Expain this to me then why should I worry about it. Exactly what are these small group of people going to do with such infomation. Let's say for a min that you are one of the elite. You have your hands on all of the supressed technolgy and pretty much your hands on forming the world you as you see fit. Here the question why bother with someones personal infomation. I find it kind of funny that most people are in some kind of fear over what is posted here. What I found so far in the time I have posted infomation here. There are alot of people in governments that visit this site and not one of them has gone forward with shutting it down. I am sure one of the current mods will agree with that statement. Also remember that now the people involved in putting out infomation about any given subject. Those asking for it most of the time now we are finding that alot of people in government are comming foward with all kinds of surpressed infomation. Alot of people in all different branches of government are now speaking out. I would imigine that anyone in serving this system would have more to worry about than you or I.

Have some courage

Falcon


[Edited on 16-6-2003 by falcon]

William is right. If the govenment was all powerful and sinister as you speak then why is it that they cannot stop the spammers and hackers?????

Tell me that.

I was best friends with an internet hacker. When I say best friends I mean blood brothers. Many people who knew us thought that we were gay because we spent so much time togther and many considered us to be one person, not two. They even told us that we argued like a married couple. (Which we did)

So tell me this:

Why is it that when he was busted for hacking into some city system and shutting off their water supply that I wasn't contacted by the FBI????

My sister dropped him off at his house one day after school and there were some 30 Lincoln Continentals in his yard and men in black all over his property. His equipment was all over the yard and his personal property completely ransacked. My sister was perplexed, my friend Ben was not. He knew exactly what had happened and he was prepared to handle it.

When I got word of this from my sister I knew exactly what had happened too. I knew that he had finally gotten himself into trouble. I never messed around with the hacking scene but my best friend did. The FEDS knew this and therefore they left me alone. They never contacted me and I never felt I was being followed by "Them". The only time I felt as if I was being tracked by FEDS was when I was hanging around other unscrupulous friends of mine who were into drugs. Basically if you get there attention then they will give it to you. So as long as you don't bring attention to yourself and ask for trouble then you won't get into trouble.

Only those that commit the crime do the time.(At least that is the idea, right)

So my point is this:

If the FEDS were that bad and ruthless then why wasn't I questioned about my activites with Ben?????

Why was Ben allowed to go after only three hours of questioning????

Why is it that Ben called me from the grocery store only three hours after the incident to tell me that everything was okay????

Because the FEDS are not out to get us. In fact they are there to help us. I will have you know that within months of the arrest Ben was working for them in California making over 40,000 dollars a year at the age of 17 or 18 and living in an apartment 1 mile from the beach in Santa Monica all by himself. WHY???????

Because that is what the so-called sinister FEDS set up for him. They worked with Ben and helped him get his life together so he wouldn't end up doing this stuff again. Ever since his arrest he has been working with security companies in internet related industries. WHY?????

Because that is what the FEDS do. They use the criminals to their own advantage. If that is a conspiracy to you then you must be dumb.

They do this so the world can be a better place and free from internet terrorism. So wake up people. The FEDS have more important things to worry about then a bunch of alarmist liars and freakazoids.

They would rather keep the internet safe. They don't want to harm us. They protect us by doing things such as the above mentioned incident. If you can't understand that then I can't help you anymore then I already have.


Abraham

I welcome my visit from the Internet Thought Police.

But all I have to fend them off is my psychic powers and a self destruct button on the back of my PC.

Should I invest in an arsenal of weaponry, a la dragonrider?

What is the status of the Microsoft in-built tracker of everything you have ever done on your PC, somewhere in root memory? Is it possible to delete it without upsetting Windows and everything else? Why/why not? Why is it there in the first place?

Originally posted by William
I have one question for the techno-paranoics... with the pervasive problem of illegal SPAM costing billions of dollars and breaking several real laws... why can't "they" simply shut down the spammers? After all, if "they" as you say know everything, they certainly know who is doing the illegal spamming. And, wouldn't the job of these government techno-trackers be much easier without all that illegal spam cluttering the pipe?

So... come on techno-paranoics... how will you answer this?

I'd like to see your answers and see if we can discover some form of realistic Internet concerns.

Of course they are monitoring us...

But I wouldn't worry too much about it.

1. They can't store it all. It's not like they're archiving every snippent somewhere, it's simply technologically impossible for one entity to do.

2. They don't have the man hours (and could not) to go through everything on the net.

What they can do is search and filter on key words (no doubt this site comes up often), and then further narrow their searches. I'm not too worried about it.

U can read it here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by CoLD aNGeR
U can read it here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't see anything there that helps your case, and much that refutes it.

Again, if the situation is as you say, why hasn't the government been able to stop illegal SPAM. This server (the one ATS is running on), gets thousands of attempts to relay traffic every hour. Some of these illegal uses of open relays are coming from exploited government servers (.mil, .gov). If the system is as you say, then it would be easy for "the government" to immediately put a stop to illegal spam, save Internet service providers billions of dollars, and stop the flow of some child pornography (among others).

Instead, because there is no monitoring, the entire industry (including law enforcement) is helpless regarding illegal SPAM. Your case breaks down on this one very simple, but critical point.

Most don't realize the serious problem SPAM represents. For every SPAM you receive and delete, there are 10 others that get sent, and end up nowhere. However, these 10 cause significant load problems for the Internet backbone, and the rate of SPAM is increasing, not decreasing.

SPAM is the single most serious problem facing the Internet, and it is indeed very serious (the general press only covers the consumer side of SPAM, not the industry's side).

The previous posts you offered on this topic were misinformed alarmist nonsense then, as they are now. There is more technology installed at your local grocery store to track you, than there is online. Even the article you copied and pasted ( news.com.com... ) from is not dealing with online user trends, but cross referencing existing offline databases of purchase patterns and other activity.


You are not being watched online, it's simply too hard. You're being watched offline, if at all.

OK time to play devils advicate. Concerning the spam issue. If they did weed out all the hackers and spammers then the internet would be perfect and anything that is "perfect" people tend to look at more closely maybe they would let these anomilies(lol) to fuel argument like you have to disprove that they have a ever watchful eye on us.Also you say the technology isnt here yet. Bu who konw what the government has. near the end of ww2 how many people thought of a bomb that could destroy like a whole city?? This is one of those things you can argue about forever and a day and have no proof either way.

the thing that I can't get my head around is the fact that there isn't enough people to monitor everyone else. Will we all end up taking a shift to monitor half the planet then that half monitor the rest when they're off shift. It doesn't make sense.
I don't care I'm monitored on the Internet, we are all monitored to certain degrees in our lives anyway and we accept that as part of being in society, so whats the difference.
What are you looking up anyway that you don't want people to know about?

Originally posted by Quicksilver
OK time to play devils advicate. Concerning the spam issue. If they did weed out all the hackers and spammers then the internet would be perfect and anything that is "perfect" people tend to look at more closely maybe they would let these anomilies

?? I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Also you say the technology isnt here yet. Bu who konw what the government has. near the end of ww2 how many people thought of a bomb that could destroy like a whole city??

Actually, the physics knowledge existed before 1920 on this front. It was refined in the 1940's to the point were we discovered how to achieve critical mass. And in this case, we're talking about the full resources of the government being channeled into the development of a war-ending weapon during wartime. We hardly have such a scenario now.

Today's corporate culture is different than 1940's... we're pretty certain about current and near-future capabilities of computer technology.

Originally posted by William

Originally posted by Quicksilver
OK time to play devils advicate. Concerning the spam issue. If they did weed out all the hackers and spammers then the internet would be perfect and anything that is "perfect" people tend to look at more closely maybe they would let these anomilies

?? I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

I was gettin at if it was perfect then it would be unrealistic. There will always be hacker because there will always be holes i code and stuff. Nottin is perfect. But if all of a sudden the hackers caught and the spammers were killed (whoo hoo) wouldnt you wonder?