Hillary Clinton + Sid Blumenthal + classified information = trouble

a reply to: SonOfThor
Hillary is NOT a liberal. The media that protects her is not liberal. What talking points are you repeating?

originally posted by: spav5
a reply to: SonOfThor
Hillary is NOT a liberal. The media that protects her is not liberal. What talking points are you repeating?

She calls herself a 'progressive', but most progressives are also liberals. They both believe in Big Bloated Nanny Government that strong arm taxpayers and businesses into doing their bidding.

a reply to: SonOfThor
Current Q clearance. HRP. Sigma 15. Information is born classified and must be
Deemed not classified by a classification deriviter. So it's all classified even without the header

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: spav5
a reply to: SonOfThor
Hillary is NOT a liberal. The media that protects her is not liberal. What talking points are you repeating?

She calls herself a 'progressive', but most progressives are also liberals. They both believe in Big Bloated Nanny Government that strong arm taxpayers and businesses into doing their bidding.

She can call herself a princess but it doesn't make it so.
Just look at her voting record. Then make your own decision.

a reply to: introvertwhy was she even corresponding via email from government offices to herv private foundation was she letting him know to expect wire transfers from her saudi friends after she got done licking there posteriors we don't know but we need to find out.

a reply to: SuperDave90

Oh I'm well aware of that - but a lot of Hillary apologists will deny these facts until they're blue in the face...

a reply to: RickinVa

I went through the 17 classified emails again this morning.... the following attachments that were included with the emails are missing... I presume they were lost when the server was wiped....

If the emails were deemed to be work related, wouldn't the original attachments that went with them be work related as well?

C05764341 ----------- hrc memo n. ireland 100809.docx
C05764767 ----------- hrc memo ni meeting 101209.docx
C05766854 ----------- hrc memo NI latest 112809.docx
C05774835 ----------- hrc memo krgyzstan 040810.docx
C05788754 ----------- hrc memo Bahrain, Iran 062011.docx
C05779465 ----------- hrc memo interim govt names 030511.docx
C05794900 ----------- hrc_memo_internal_german_euro_politics_062712.docx
C05794915 ----------- hrc_memoturkey_syrialebanon_062812.docx

Those are just the attachments that went with the classified emails.... there are probably dozens others in the regular emails.....

Something isn't quite right here.

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: introvertwhy was she even corresponding via email from government offices to herv private foundation was she letting him know to expect wire transfers from her saudi friends after she got done licking there posteriors we don't know but we need to find out.

Yes, we do need to find out. What we don't need to do is jump to conclusions without proper evidence out of pure political bias.

Quick recap:

17 Classified emails were sent from Sidney Blumenthal, a Clinton Foundation employee with no US security clearance to Hillarys private unclassified email server.

1 Classified email that was sent from Hillary Clinton to Sidney Blumenthal, a Clinton Foundation employee with no US security clearance.

16 Confidential and 1 Secret emails involving a Clinton Foundation employee who had no authorization to view this material.

Multiple email attachments were deleted.

Somebody is in some deep doo doo.

Conspiracies can also be real.
The reason conspirators get away with them is because it's said sane people shouldn't put any stock in them.

"The finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist" -Baudelaire

a reply to: RickinVa

I get so lost in the is is classified is it not or when argument so much I keep forgetting a important fact. These files were indeed access or hacked and it it Hillaries fault and the main reason aside from theft and classification that it is not aloud, to take the info and security off network.

originally posted by: randomthoughts12
a reply to: RickinVa

I get so lost in the is is classified is it not or when argument so much I keep forgetting a important fact. These files were indeed access or hacked and it it Hillaries fault and the main reason aside from theft and classification that it is not aloud, to take the info and security off network.

In order to keep electronic or paper versions of classified material at a private residence, many many steps have to be taken... there are literally reams of regulations put forth by NSA that deal with these issues.

But above all else, you need to simply remember that all electronic US classified data is protected by NSA approved encryption devices....you must use one of these NSA approved devices and the NSA approved encryption key... there is no lee way.... and no such device was used.

That is one of the first questions I would ask her....

Was the classified data found on your server protected by the required NSA encryption device and the associated NSA encryption key?


If that answer is no, then it has to be assumed that all the classified data was accessed by unauthorized individuals and everything is assumed to be compromised. It's still classified, but considered to be compromised.

That view has been taken by the US Government for decades..... there always has to be a chain of custody for each piece of classified material... when classified material has been found to have been leaked/spilled onto the open internet, then that data is assumed to have been compromised.


The biggest argument about Hillary is originally classified vs retroactively classified.... originally classified means the data is classified from the moment it originates... retroactive classified is when unmarked classified data is found, then it is properly marked with the controls at that time. Hillary likes to claim that this is the date the data is considered classified, at the point when it is marked with the proper controls. She does this in spite of the fact that numerous emails that the State Department "retroactively" classified, should have been properly marked prior to that by Hillary herself. She was also very clearly aware at that time that classified data may be marked or unmarked.

Retroactive classification can also be used to describe when data is considered classified after it was created, due to circumstances that did not exist when it was created. This is another point that Hillary and her sycophants have focused on as an excuse. Not going to work out very well in her favor, unfortunately. That is a defense to be presented at your trial, not really so much of an excuse.

Originally classified is sometimes referred to as "born classified". They both mean the same thing.

There is a lot of discussion about the Governments position of "originally classified" as being unconstitutional against free speech. That has never been decided by the Supreme Court.

Maybe this case will be the case that takes that to the Supreme Court....but that will only happen long after Hillary would have been indicted and convicted... that would be an appeal against a conviction.

That is about the easiest way I can explain it without quoting a bunch of legal stuff.


2200+ classified emails found on Hillarys unclassified email server. Her position is that all 2200+ classified emails were not classified when she sent or received them, but were deemed to be classified later, after they left her possession, thereby making her innocent.

Two Inspector Generals and all of the reviewing agencies except the State Department have determined that they were classified when originated.

That's about it in the proverbial nutshell.

a reply to: RickinVa

"sbwhoeop"

An Anagram for "Hope Bows."

I thought having a clearance is only part of the dynamic? You also must have a need to know the information. Just because you are a navy nuke with a clearance on a sub doesn't give you the privliage of knowing what a special forces team is up to. So a civilian with no need to know and no clearance equals what?

Also, if Clinton's testimony at best was half truths, how would an investigation every get to the bottom of anything when misdirected. How many times has Clinton publicly changed her story. And why would you want the liability of using your own server?

a reply to: RickinVa

That helps!

So then there is the problem of her deleting so many e-mails. If those were not tagged then they still needed to be tagged and tracked to see how compromised or what other things need to be tagged or tracked.

So not only did she leak classified information intentionally or unintentionally she still tried to cover it up and this hinders figuring out the damage and national security issues further!

How can you trust someone that is way more interested in her own agenda then our own national security. This whole thing shows how she could care less about our country its secrets and national security.

I would like to think someone that high in our government and society would want better for our country it just does not seem so. I do hope I am wrong though.

It's worth bumping this thread with the information that Sydney Blumenthal was advising Clinton almost verbatim on information contained within top secret NSA files.

In the recent email release, Blumenthal is found to have sent Hillary a briefing on Sudan using exact paragraphs from an NSA report that had only been released hours before by the NSA to those on the Special Access Program. At the time Blumenthal was not working in a govt capacity and had no clearance. The open question is, how did Blumenthal get access to the raw NSA information?

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