The number 9 enigma

Greetings ATS, I've found some interesting facts and bizarre curiosity's relating to the number 9 that I thought well worth sharing.
I'm not sure which forum is the most appropriate so posted in General Conspiracies, I don't consider this OP a conspiracy as such but the MODS know what to do if its the wrong forum.

The Maths

Firstly 9 is the the only number that when multiplied by any other number will have a digital root of 9. For example:
9 x 27 = 243 2+4+3=9
9 x 7549869063 = 67948821567 6+7+9+4+8+8+2+1+5+6+7 =63 and 6+3 = 9
You can do this with any number you can imagine and the result will always be the same! Now I know what some may be thinking, "isn't that like numerology, adding a series of numbers together doesn't really mean anything" while It is the method numerology uses, this OP isn't about numerology and I struggle to understand how any meanings are derived from the subject myself. But it's certainly intriguing me much more now. Here's some more info about digital roots.

Digital roots

The Wiki page also has a very interesting image of the Vedic square which I am unable to embed in this post unfortunately, but it is well worth examining the patterns that emerge in it if you’re not familiar with Vedic square.
Further there is this

There are other interesting patterns involving multiples of nine: 12345679 × 9 = 111111111 12345679 × 18 = 222222222 12345679 × 81 = 999999999

and this

The difference between a base-10 positive integer and the sum of its digits is a whole multiple of nine. Examples: The sum of the digits of 41 is 5, and 41 − 5 = 36. The digital root of 36 is 3 + 6 = 9, which, as explained above, demonstrates that it is divisible by nine. The sum of the digits of 35967930 is 3 + 5 + 9 + 6 + 7 + 9 + 3 + 0 = 42, and 35967930 − 42 = 35967888. The digital root of 35967888 is 3 + 5 + 9 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 54, 5 + 4 = 9.

Fascinating is it not?
Also the method of casting out the nines is used to check calculations done manually
Casting out the nines
Why use nines?

Ok enough of the number crunching for now, lets sit back, and let a magical maths guy do it for us...

For those that can't view the vid, it is essentially summarizing what I've detailed above. In an arguably more interesting way might I add

Here's a vid on how the number 9 shows up in geometric patterns, it's really fascinating how all the angles are multiples of nine.


And also I find this one very interesting

This is about the Fibonacci sequence and its relation to music, the point being there are 5 black keys and 8 white keys and 13 keys in total to make the octave, after 12 semi tones the sequence/pattern begins again only an octave higher or lower. OK that’s interesting but 9 isn't in the Fibonacci sequence, or is it?
144 is the 12th number in the Fibonacci sequence and is the first instance where the digital root makes 9. If we break down Phi into intervals of 12 and have the 13th number(the octave) begin the sequence again below the previous set and add the digital roots together we get 9 every time.

1----2----3----4----5-----6------7-----8------9-------10-----11-----12------ Numerical order
1----1----2----3----5-----8------13----21----34------55-----89-----144----- Fibonacci sequence
1----1----2----3----5-----8------4-----3------7-------1-------8-------9-------Digital root

233-377-610-987-1597-2584-4181-6765-10946-17711-28657-46368----Fibonacci sequence
8----8----7----6----4-----1------5-----6------2-------8-------1-------9-------Digital root
9----9----9----9----9-----9------9-----9------9-------9-------9-------9-------Sum of digital roots

This is just the beginning section of the Fibonacci sequence but the pattern repeats itself into infinity!
Just remember to start at the beginning after every 12 steps in the sequence. For example the next number the 25th in the sequence is 75025 its digital root is 1 and its corresponding number twelve steps below it is 233, its root is 8. Again adding the digital roots together we get 9.

Sorry about the poor formatting I'm afraid I can't get the sequence to line up right and I'm unable to embed images. I have however, managed to find the video explaining this with a chart that is much easier on the eye! it's covered at 19.32 minutes into the video.



For me this goes beyond coincidence and I don’t see how it could be related to or anything else like that. My jaw was on the floor when I first learnt this!

OK well I think that’s enough information for one post, next I will be looking at the number 9 and what it meant to the ancients.
To be continued…

a reply to: surfer_soul

Wow this is weird and very interesting. Of course, I had to pop on the calculator and sure enough no matter what I multiplied 9 by, it was the same. Thanks for the post!


iTruthSeeker

a reply to: surfer_soul

The number 9 in ancient cultures

First up China

Source

The ancient Chinese considered numbers a mystical part of the universe. As an odd number, the number "9" belongs to the "yang" category, which represents strength and masculinity. In ancient China, the number "1" represented the starting point while the number nine represented infinity and extremity. The number "9" can be seen in many aspects of life in China.

The Chinese tended to view life diametrically. So when a change occurred in one aspect of life, that change was a result of a change in its opposite. Therefore, as a symbol of extremity, "9" in Chinese Culture is also a warning, a turning point. In ancient Chinese Classic Yijing, or the "Book of Changes", wherever number "9" appears, it is a crucial point of change and transformation.

Wiki

Chinese culture Nine (九 pinyin jiǔ) is considered a good number in Chinese culture because it sounds the same as the word "long-lasting" (久 pinyin jiǔ)[citation needed]. Nine is strongly associated with the Chinese dragon, a symbol of magic and power. There are nine forms of the dragon, it is described in terms of nine attributes, and it has nine children. It has 117 scales – 81 yang (masculine, heavenly) and 36 yin (feminine, earthly). All three numbers are multiples of 9 (9 × 13 = 117, 9 × 9 = 81, 9 × 4 = 36)[1] as well as having the same digital root of 9. The dragon often symbolizes the Emperor, and the number nine can be found in many ornaments in the Forbidden City. The circular altar platform (Earthly Mount) of the Temple of Heaven has one circular marble plate in the center, surrounded by a ring of nine plates, then by a ring of 18 plates, and so on, for a total of nine rings, with the outermost having 81 = 9 × 9 plates. The name of the area called Kowloon in Hong Kong literally means: nine dragons. The nine-dotted line (Chinese: 南海九段线; pinyin: nánhǎi jiǔduàn xiàn; literally: "Nine-segment line of the South China Sea") delimits certain island claims by China in the South China Sea. The nine-rank system was a civil service nomination system used during certain Chinese dynasties.

India

Nine is a number that appears often in Indian Culture and mythology. Some instances are enumerated below. Nine influencers are attested in Indian astrology. In the Vaisheshika branch of Hindu philosophy, there are nine universal substances or elements: Earth, Water, Air, Fire, Ether, Time, Space, Soul, and Mind. Navaratri is a nine-day festival dedicated to the nine forms of Durga. Navaratna, meaning "9 jewels" may also refer to Navaratnas - accomplished courtiers, Navratan - a kind of dish, or a form of architecture. According to Yoga, the human body has nine doors - two eyes, two ears, the mouth, two nostrils, and the openings for defecation and procreation. In Indian aesthetics, there are nine kinds of Rasa.

Hmm the human body has nine doors, never considered that before...

Ancient Egypt The nine bows is a term used in Ancient Egypt to represent the traditional enemies of Egypt. The Ennead is a group of 9 Egyptian deities, who, in the some versions of the Osiris myth, judged whether Horus or Set should inherit Egypt.
European culture The Nine Worthies are nine historical, or semi-legendary figures who, in the Middle Ages, were believed to personify the ideals of chivalry.
In Norse mythology, the universe is divided into nine worlds which are all connected by the world tree Yggdrasil. Greek mythology The nine Muses in Greek mythology are Calliope (epic poetry), Clio (history), Erato (erotic poetry), Euterpe (lyric poetry), Melpomene (tragedy), Polyhymnia (song), Terpsichore (dance), Thalia (comedy), and Urania (astronomy). It takes nine days (for an anvil) to fall from heaven to earth, and nine more to fall from earth to Tartarus—a place of torment in the underworld. Leto labored for nine days and nine nights for Apollo, according to the Homeric Hymn to Delian Apollo.

Well I can't find much outside wiki discussing the number nine in ancient cultures. And to tired to search much now.
I have found some interesting things relating to nine though that go into other topics. So I'll wrap up this post with some interesting connections.

Literature

There are nine circles of Hell in Dante's Divine Comedy.
The Nine Bright Shiners, characters in Garth Nix's Old Kingdom trilogy. The Nine Bright Shiners was a 1930s book of poems by Anne Ridler[3] and a 1988 fiction book by Anthea Fraser;[4] the name derives from "a very curious old semi-pagan, semi-Christian" song.[5]
The Nine Tailors is a 1934 mystery novel by British writer Dorothy L. Sayers, her ninth featuring sleuth Lord Peter Wimsey.
Nine Unknown Men are, in occult legend, the custodians of the sciences of the world since ancient times.
In J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth, there are nine rings of power given to men, and consequently, nine ringwraiths. Additionally, The Fellowship of the Ring consists of nine companions, representing the free races and also as a positive mirror of the nine ring wraiths.

Lastly here's a website with some interesting info about the number 9
Properties of number 9

Hope you all find it as interesting and intriguing as I did.

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Your welcome, I all found the information fascinating especially the stuff relating to the Fibonacci sequence.
My mind is boggled now though...

a reply to: surfer_soul

9 is my Lucky number. S&F.

I'm KawRider9 and I approve this message...

Curious to know if you've done any reading on the number 3, seeing as 9 is a multiple of it.

a reply to: surfer_soul
This gigantic “9” is 3281 ft. long, drawn with a 197 ft. wide pen, printed 26 ft. down in the sediments 820 ft. below sea level in the Barents Sea.
All depressions that occurred around 10,000 years ago now play an important role in the Barents Sea.

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Numbers are wierd. Math has always blown my mind. Like, just how is it possible?
So many different things in math. How? I am just glad the world has geniuses to discover these things in the first place.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Very cool thread! I was born on the 9th, so I have always liked it!

The Mayans, I believe, used the Number 9 as a Symbol. It was used to represent the Gateway between the Physical World, and the Spirit Realm! Just thought I'd add this here for You!

Syx

9 Is the "sacred number" for the Baha'i Faith.

They have temples all over the world, each with nine entrances. Quite beautiful! They are building a new one in Chile called "The Temple of Light" which looks like it will be amazing...

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Anyway, just thought I'd share. These are some incredible buildings. Each one of these three required the development of new architectural techniques, as well.

- AB

Heard once that 9 is the devils number because no matter what power or multiplication you use, the digits always simplify back to 9.

The devils loves his ego, so multiple 9's (999->rotate 180 (1+8+0) degrees ->666) simply amplify his ego to new highs.

a reply to: amsterdamn87

Yes 3 is the magic number as they say. My OP is concerned primarily with 9 though otherwise I would have been writing the equivalent of a book! It seems all single digits are interesting in some way or other, and then we have 10,11,12,13,23,32 and 33 that stand out and a bunch of larger numbers too. Nine is the most interesting number to me though.

I wonder if there is a relationship between numbers that is similar to that with tones or colours? Where we have harmonies or discord. It's just speculation on my part though.

For accountants it's a handy trick.
If a number is out of whack by nine (or any multiple of three) the chances are someone transposed digits somewhere along the line.

It should also be pointed out that the tricks only work in base 10. Other number bases have their own magic numbers.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

That's bizarre! Never heard of it thanks for posting. Could be my new avatar?

a reply to: AboveBoard

9 Is the "sacred number" for the Baha'i Faith. They have temples all over the world, each with nine entrances. Quite beautiful! They are building a new one in Chile called "The Temple of Light" which looks like it will be amazing...

Wow those buildings are beautiful, thanks for sharing, I wasn't aware of the Baha'i Faith either. Something else to consider.

originally posted by: Phage
For accountants it's a handy trick.
If a number is out of whack by nine (or any multiple of three) the chances are someone transposed digits somewhere along the line.

It should also be pointed out that the tricks only work in base 10. Other number bases have their own magic numbers.

That's true and you've just reminded me of vid I watched a while back about an unusual counting system used in African markets I think it was? It was a very effective method anyway. I will have to see if i can find it again.

I'm not sure its all tricks though as such, I mean geometric shapes like the Pythagorean solids seem to have the number nine built into there structures. What I mean is it's more like we have discovered these numerical patterns in nature, rather than imposed them on nature in order to understand it. If that makes sense?

A return in the Norse "Renaissance".

The serpent Jörmungandr opens its gaping maw, yawning widely in the air, and is met in combat by Thor. Thor, also a son of Odin and described here as protector of the earth, furiously fights the serpent, defeating it, but Thor is only able to take nine steps afterward before collapsing.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Also the numbers in a circle always deduce to 9.

360-3+6+0=9
180-1+8+0=9
90- 9+0=9
45- 4+5=9
22.5- 2+2+5=9
11.25- 1+1+2+5= 9


Also, a cool trick to teach a young child...you can use your hands to do multiples of 9. For example hold down your 7th finger...there's 6 to the left and 3 to the right

Well 7X9=63!

a reply to: surfer_soul

I mean geometric shapes like the Pythagorean solids seem to have the number nine built into there structures.

You are talking like a numberist. Your base 10 bias is showing.

a reply to: surfer_soul

The pattern within the Fibinacci numbers has always been a favorite of mine.

1----1----2----3----5-----8------13----21----34------55-----89-----144
1----1----2----3----5-----8------4-----3------7-------1-------8-------9

233-377-610-987-1597-2584-4181-6765-10946-17711-28657-46368
8----8----7----6----4-----1------5-----6------2-------8-------1-------9

It shows a perfect growth ratio in two steps that balance each other out each cycle. Reminds me of a wave pattern if you were to graph it numerically. With the Peak being the first set of numbers and the trough being the second set with the nine signifying the point where the wave touches back at the zero point. Something like that.

Here's another one for you that you might like. 7's.

Divide anything by 7 and you'll get the same sequence of numbers.
1/7 = 0.142857...
2/7 = 0.285714...
3/7 = 0.428571...
4/7 = 0.571428...
5/7 = 0.714285...
6/7 = 0.857142...

It keeps going only obviously with a 1 in front of the decimal. Notice how it creates the same pattern of numbers both horizontal and vertical. Also note that the only numbers missing from the pattern are the 3,6,9..

But if you add them together across and reduce to a single digit you'll get 9.
1+4+2+8+5+7=27 or 9

Add them up vertical and each vertical will of course give you 9 as well.
(I'll let you do that one so I don't have to type it.)

Or add the first and fourth, second and fifth and the third and sixth number together and each one gives you 9 again.
(You can do this one yourself too.)

Add the first three digits plus the last three digits and you get 9 again.
1+4+2=7
8+5+7=20 or 2
7+2=9

Base 10 numbers are fun!!!