God Did It! The rest is post modern chatter!

a reply to: TerryDon79


That would still be the creation of the universe...
And God is infinite...

a reply to: Noinden

Now what do I beleive? I've posted in thexse forums before what I beleive. But here is how it began: At first, there was only emptiness, and a dark sea in it. And there was heat in the dark sea, and from that came desire, the first seed of the mind ...

None of that contradicts the hypothesis of the Big Bang.

We've passed the Beginning (Big-Bang), the question is, the source of the Big Bang. What was there before the Big Bang?

Something or absolute nothing?

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: edmc^2

The Big Bang and great contraction has happened as infinitum. It has always been and always will be.

Now, if you don't accept that the above could be true, you must concede the SAME ARGUMENT for God.

Except that, we ONLY observed ONE Universe with ONE beginning one Big Bang.

Hence, your multiverse theory with its infinite big bangs is not supported by logic and facts.

An infinity loop only needs one universe. This one. It's created by the Big Bang then destroyed by the great contraction. Forever. Always has, always will.

THATS an infinity loop. Not multiverses.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: TerryDon79


That would still be the creation of the universe...
And God is infinite...

Um, no. The creation is caused by the Big Bang and destroyed by the great contraction.

Keep up.

originally posted by: edmc^2
a reply to: Noinden

Now what do I beleive? I've posted in thexse forums before what I beleive. But here is how it began: At first, there was only emptiness, and a dark sea in it. And there was heat in the dark sea, and from that came desire, the first seed of the mind ...

None of that contradicts the hypothesis of the Big Bang.

We've passed the Beginning (Big-Bang), the question is, the source of the Big Bang. What was there before the Big Bang?

Something or absolute nothing?

The great contraction happened before the Big Bang. Then the Big Bang happened. Then the great contraction. As infinitum.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: edmc^2

When did they begin

Do you know what infinite means?

what or who created them?

Beats me. The combination of different things? Different combinations each time?

You will always come back to infinite existence.

And you will infinitely insist that = God.


I'm curious. If your faith is so strong, why do you feel such a need to defend it?

First off, this has NOTHING to do with faith. It's LOGIC.

It's what makes sense to put it in layman's terms.

An Always Existing Entity (God) is the most logical explanation for the existence of the physical universe.

Nothing more nothing less.

Even E = mc2 posits that a source of E must by necessity exist for matter to exist. Matter is not infinite.

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: edmc^2

When did they begin

Do you know what infinite means?

what or who created them?

Beats me. The combination of different things? Different combinations each time?

You will always come back to infinite existence.

And you will infinitely insist that = God.


I'm curious. If your faith is so strong, why do you feel such a need to defend it?

First off, this has NOTHING to do with faith. It's LOGIC.

It's what makes sense to put it in layman's terms.

An Always Existing Entity (God) is the most logical explanation for the existence of the physical universe.

Nothing more nothing less.

Even E = mc2 posits that a source of E must by necessity exist for matter to exist. Matter is not infinite.

Prove it. Prove God exists. If you can't you can't prove God did it. Heck, it might have been turtles that did it.

a reply to: edmc^2

Again there is no need to inject a supernatural being into this argument. Logically it does not improve it. QED it is not the "only logical argument"

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2
a reply to: Noinden

Now what do I beleive? I've posted in thexse forums before what I beleive. But here is how it began: At first, there was only emptiness, and a dark sea in it. And there was heat in the dark sea, and from that came desire, the first seed of the mind ...

None of that contradicts the hypothesis of the Big Bang.

We've passed the Beginning (Big-Bang), the question is, the source of the Big Bang. What was there before the Big Bang?

Something or absolute nothing?

The great contraction happened before the Big Bang. Then the Big Bang happened. Then the great contraction. As infinitum.

Hence, like I said - you will come back to infinity because it makes sense. It makes sense that something must had always existed before the Big-Bang.

Question is - what's causing the infinite contraction?

Is it contracting itself? A self contracting something?

a reply to: TerryDon79

The creation is caused by the big bang...
God is defined as the creator of the Universe...
Destroyed by the great contraction...
Sounds like revelations when all the stars disapeared when the veil is lifted...
Oh guess what happens next...
A new Heaven and Earth...
Sounds like an infinity loop to me...

Try to catch up up...
And feel free to remove foot from mouth...

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2
a reply to: Noinden

Now what do I beleive? I've posted in thexse forums before what I beleive. But here is how it began: At first, there was only emptiness, and a dark sea in it. And there was heat in the dark sea, and from that came desire, the first seed of the mind ...

None of that contradicts the hypothesis of the Big Bang.

We've passed the Beginning (Big-Bang), the question is, the source of the Big Bang. What was there before the Big Bang?

Something or absolute nothing?

The great contraction happened before the Big Bang. Then the Big Bang happened. Then the great contraction. As infinitum.

Hence, like I said - you will come back to infinity because it makes sense. It makes sense that something must had always existed before the Big-Bang.

Question is - what's causing the infinite contraction?

Is it contracting itself? A self contracting something?

Nothing created it. It's just always happened.

a reply to: edmc^2

First off, this has NOTHING to do with faith. It's LOGIC.

No. Is not logical to, with a lack of sufficient information, to conclude "God did it." Leaving it to "God did it" is purely an expression of faith.

Your answer to any and every question will be the same. That is not logical, except circularly, which is not logic.

Nothing wrong with faith, in particular. Except when it leads to protracted ignorance.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: TerryDon79

The creation is caused by the big bang...
God is defined as the creator of the Universe...
Destroyed by the great contraction...
Sounds like revelations when all the stars disapeared when the veil is lifted...
Oh guess what happens next...
A new Heaven and Earth...
Sounds like an infinity loop to me...

Try to catch up up...
And feel free to remove foot from mouth...

Apart from one is science (Big Bang and great contraction hypothesis) and the other is fairy tales.

Try to act like an adult, sport.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Nothing created it it just always happened...
This is illogical for science...
Because it requires that beyond natural means...
Feel free to insert supernatural means though...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Nothing created it it just always happened... This is illogical for science...

"Science" doesn't actually say that though.

Because it requires that beyond natural means...

Why?

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: edmc^2

Again there is no need to inject a supernatural being into this argument. Logically it does not improve it. QED it is not the "only logical argument"

OK - let's not "inject a supernatural being into this argument".

What was there then, before the big bang?

Who or what caused the "ball rolling" so to speak? Who set the "blue torch flame"?

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: TerryDon79

Nothing created it it just always happened...
This is illogical for science...
Because it requires that beyond natural means...
Feel free to insert supernatural means though...

Really? YOU'RE lecturing ME on science?

Science has got current hypotheses about the exact thing I'm talking about. So I guess you're wrong, again.

a reply to: TerryDon79

It says the same thing...
Adults can see the truth of things and deal with it when they see it...

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: edmc^2

Again there is no need to inject a supernatural being into this argument. Logically it does not improve it. QED it is not the "only logical argument"

OK - let's not "inject a supernatural being into this argument".

What was there then, before the big bang?

the great contraction

Who or what caused the "ball rolling" so to speak? Who set the "blue torch flame"?

nothing. It's happened for infinity and will continue to happen for infinity.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: TerryDon79

It says the same thing...
Adults can see the truth of things and deal with it when they see it...

Hahahahaha!

Thanks for the laugh kid.