2016: The Year the Americans Found out Our Elections Are Rigged

a reply to: MotherMayEye

No way is the DNC banking on Hillary to win it all, in November, with a *supposedly* unpredictable email scandal always dominating the headlines. It's not unpredictable. It exists for Bernie's benefit alone. Congress is anxious to award government contracts that benefit 'The Establishment' with Bernie's $18 trillion plan for America.

How does the DNC even matter when it amounts only to a collective opinion
and isn't used selectively or to nominate obviously? Both parties exist to
create an atmosphere of fan fair and hype. Just more illusion. If people were
smart the elections wouldn't receive a single vote. That would be a paradigm
completely alien to every psycho in D.C. They'd all be crapping themselves.

a reply to: Praetorius

The Howard Dean scream was a non-issue

I was just recalling that last night. It was not even an issue, it was a shout of joy and media turned it into a psychotic breakdown. An again you are right at what a lovely grassroots campaign that was. And look at Nader in 2000. They would not only not allow him in a debate with Gore and Bush, they would not even allow him into the auditorium and had him hauled away by police from an audience room where the debate was being viewed on screen.

a reply to: 727Sky

Well at least it took a play as ridiculous as trump for president to get murka to vote for Hilary. ... wait, what's that... murcans like trump.... bwahahaha they really are doomed

a reply to: DBCowboy

Yeah go get a burger and a shake... relax it's rhetoric American dream

The mid 1970s was the first time the parties had voting or caususes in every state that had an effect on who became the parties nominations. The DNC was first and the GOP followed up few years later. The entire idea of voting in primaries is new. The parties are and have always been free to choose whomever they want to represent them however they want. Frankly that people seem this clueless about US history and why the parties can do as they please makes me think they should get rid of primary voting again. Clearly most Americans are just confused by it. And the old way brought us Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, JFK etc. Since we left primaries in the hands of voters we have been a downward trend. The elections are not rigged people are just clueless.

Im at the point now where I do nothing that I am not under penalty of law to do. Voting is among those "nothings"

a reply to: 727Sky

This is something some of us think in the UK also concerning our elections because of the poles and the actual results which go against the poles.

We also have the Scottish referendum which we know both our queen and cam would never have gone along with.

Believe it or not there's people orchestrating things and they're more interested in creating stories than anything else.

I'm on a Mobil so I won't type much, but one example was with Obama and the Matrix movie.

In the matrix the black leader, Morpheus, has a fight with agent smith in a bathroom. During the fight he smashes the toilet bowl with his head. Now if you look at the USA borders you're shaped like a toilet bowl. That's why Obama had slogans saying "yes we can". Because the can is the bathroom. He was saying yes we're a toilet. Anyway, Morpheus smashing the toilet(America) with his head(ideas) was a warning about the plans to force the ObamaNation upon the people.

It may sound silly and stupid but it's actually the type of stuff they do. They're more concerned with creating coincidences and stories than doing what the people want and doing it blatant ways to mock the people.

a reply to: UKTruth

The trouble is, that without more jobs to do, without every city, region, state, having always empty positions, empty positions which pay well enough to live on, without employers who do not want to employ people for the cheapest possible rate, but want to employ people just as much out of a duty to their city, state, or nation, as they do out of necessity for expanding their workforce, this will not change.

And once again, it is those who have the power, who have the choices as to how this situation will proceed. The people pulling insane shifts just so that their kids can eat, be clothed and have the pathetic covering offered to them by a poorly maintained apartment block, are not those wielding the power. Many of them are clinically fatigued, their immune systems compromised by hammering themselves through day after day of frantic effort for seemingly no, or little reward. They get to save nothing, they get to enjoy nothing but the simplest things. The small, humble meal with family, watching their kids grow. They also get to fear that their efforts are not enough, that when they pass from this world, their children will have fewer prospects, regardless of how smart they might be, how capable.

These individuals have no power to escape the cycle they are in. You have probably heard of
Locked In Syndrome. It is a circumstance where a person, although conscious of things around them, cannot communicate the same to others, cannot move, cannot eat for themselves, cannot perform even the most basic functions of their body without mechanical aid. They are often misdiagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state, but are, in fact, perfectly aware of the hell they are in. They cannot express or change their circumstances, but they can sure as hell feel every moment of them.

Similarly, a person who burns every calorie they put into themselves, while about the business of mere survival, as opposed to living, which are different things, is perfectly aware of how wrong things are, and still has not the power to change those things, without risking the lives of his family. That is the literal choice. No responsible person is going to risk placing his or her children in a position where they miss a meal, out of principle alone. Why? Because it would be irresponsible, selfish, and foolish.

It is not a matter of being willing to fight. Quite rightly, a person with kids and responsibilities beyond their own, individual, physical survival, cannot feel free to abandon the cycle they are in, because it would destroy his or her ability to provide for their loved ones AT ALL! No matter how much indignation they have about the situation, only if their responsibilities are no longer an issue, say because of a tragedy which takes those under their care from them, would a sane and decent person abandon whatever measly income stream they have gained for themselves, and make war on the beast which snapped at their heels.

AND THEY ARE RIGHT TO PRIORITISE THIS WAY! I know of few people who would fight to protect the person who abuses them, fight to protect a system which allows a company to pay virtually no tax, while underpaying its staff. I know of no fool who would defend a concept which has seen them crushed underfoot, broken, mangled and tired beyond belief. The reality is that the dictatorship you are talking about, from government toward the people, is not the one you need to concern yourself with at this point. That is a mere reflection of the dictatorship which decides which cities and towns have jobs which pay properly. It is the afterbirth of the dictatorship of the moneyed over the powerless.

The reality is that until the rich stop dictating terms to the government, to the working poor, this situation will not correct itself. It will only get worse, and that will not be the fault or reponsibility of people who were only trying to do right by their kids, or by their elderly mothers, or provide medical cover for their ailing spouse. Accept this. These are people doing the right thing, not the wrong one. Those doing the wrong thing, are those who are in a position to employ people at a proper rate of pay, but do not. Those in a position to offer more people work than they do ,at that proper rate of pay, but fail to are the ones who create this drama, by purchasing power to avoid the consequences of their nearsightedness.

a reply to: MrSpad

You are probably right ... When someone wins the popular vote with a 12% margin yet only gets 7 delegates out of 18 people are clueless with just how messed up this system is.
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originally posted by: 727Sky
A couple/several things of interest in this article IMO. One is the quote of Jimmy Carter saying, “Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. senators and congress members.” – Probably the best thing I have ever heard Former President Jimmy Carter say. Yes his quote has been posted before on many sites however it really is something that needs to be exposed any way we can..

Also the title is possibly correct for the MSM cool aide propaganda drinkers not necessarily for the members here.

I thought it was widely known if not substantiated that Joe Kennedy helped buy the nomination for his son, when do you think things were any different?

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: UKTruth

Too many rely on government, too many would fight to keep the status quo.

Which is exactly why for every person who knows in their heart something is very wrong and needs to be stopped, there will be another person who will fight vigorously (and sometimes violently) to defend the status quo and claim everything is ok. .

Because some people are perfectly content with how things are, from the top executive down to the blue collar worker who gets by evenly enough and just lives.

These people have their (sometimes deluded) sense of stability, so to speak, and they don't want to risk that, so they do everything they can to continue their and their family's or business' security.

They don't see the *bigger* picture, but they want to maintain the status quo...how it's *always* been, just going through the motions of life...

Because everything is ok to them. And they don't want to risk anything.

That's so dead on accurate.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: UKTruth

I honestly thought you all had a chance to vote for an exit.

As for the US, they will keep us divided with race, income inequality, immigration.

We're too busy fighting amongst ourselves to even rally ourselves against an unjust government.

We have a chance to vote on 23rd June - it will be rigged. Our Prime Minister (the guy who was caught screwing dead pigs - literally) is acting as a full on salesman the like of which you usually see at time share resorts.

The vote leave campaign with its own brand of project fear is in massive overdrive with bumbling Boris and the rest of them rambling non-sequiturs with little substance behind them but I guess as your feelings so obviously align to the vote leave campaign you are ok with that.

The dead pig thing - one unnamed source in an unauthorised biography claimed that - that is literally the only source, but of course with this being a conspiracy site then unnamed sources with no evidence count as fact, right?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

The reality is that until the rich stop dictating terms to the government, to the working poor, this situation will not correct itself. It will only get worse, and that will not be the fault or reponsibility of people who were only trying to do right by their kids, or by their elderly mothers, or provide medical cover for their ailing spouse. Accept this. These are people doing the right thing, not the wrong one. Those doing the wrong thing, are those who are in a position to employ people at a proper rate of pay, but do not. Those in a position to offer more people work than they do ,at that proper rate of pay, but fail to are the ones who create this drama, by purchasing power to avoid the consequences of their nearsightedness.

I could not agree more.

The problem is that the rich are never going to stop dictating terms to the govt and the poor, more and more dependent, will always put their family first (in general) and not risk the little they have, which at least puts food on the table. Therein lies the cleverness of the manipulation. Higher up the scale from the poorest it's the same as for the working man or woman who has no savings - they have to ask how high when they are told to jump by their boss or take a big risk. Those that have a few months or years savings on hand can more comfortably tell there boss to get lost.

In this way it's beneficial for the rich to shrink the middle class and stack the deck with more people who have to obey. The bar for real change gets higher and higher as the years pass, unfortunately. I actually think the deck is so far stacked in favour of the rich that it's no impossible to reverse. Hence the USA is done and the UK has no chance of wrestling back control from Brussels.

a reply to: Aeshma

It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: MrSpad

You are probably right ... When someone wins the popular vote with a 12% margin yet only gets 7 delegates out of 18 people are clueless with just how messed up this system is.
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I think both Sanders and Trump deserve great respect for breaking all this out into the open. The people who have rigged the system for years can not hide it any more. Ron Paul, also, started this educational process back in 2012.

So far it's not stopped the crooks in power but at least now they have to brazenly steal as opposed to hiding behind the curtain.

Does nobody remember when Dubya won his second term under ~extremely~ dodgy conditions?

I think we've all known US elections are rigged for quite some time now.

a reply to: UKTruth

Europe is actually flipping (soon) to laws that state what you CAN do, not what you cant

Really? Never heard of that, any sources?

a reply to: 727Sky

WOW...that second video almost says it all...terrible political society we live in...where the vote from the people doesn't always matter except to make political headlines and commercial tv space.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: MotherMayEye

No way is the DNC banking on Hillary to win it all, in November, with a *supposedly* unpredictable email scandal always dominating the headlines. It's not unpredictable. It exists for Bernie's benefit alone. Congress is anxious to award government contracts that benefit 'The Establishment' with Bernie's $18 trillion plan for America.

How does the DNC even matter when it amounts only to a collective opinion
and isn't used selectively or to nominate obviously? Both parties exist to
create an atmosphere of fan fair and hype. Just more illusion. If people were
smart the elections wouldn't receive a single vote. That would be a paradigm
completely alien to every psycho in D.C. They'd all be crapping themselves.

Of course the DNC uses fan fare and hype to manipulate voters. What they cannot manipulate, they rig. Case in point, Michigan and Florida in the 2008 primary and all the superdelegates that were in the tank for Obama.

I have often gone back & forth on whether to even give 'them' my vote to defile.