This is what happens when you have marxist socialist central planning.

originally posted by: Indigent
a reply to: daskakik

So you trust a video and not a Venezuelan...

Tomorrow from my desktop I'll get you the other videos...

No offense, but just being from or in a country doesn't instantly make facts disappear. Every country has people with left wing, right wing, and centrist political views; varying economic and religious views, etc. If we should blindly trust you simply because you're from or in a specific country, should you blindly trust me on all American issues since I'm an American?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Communism has killed nearly a 100 million people with its crazy purges and "revolutions".

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Communism has killed nearly a 100 million people with its crazy purges and "revolutions".

And capitalism and imperialism have killed how many millions of people? You really want to get into a pissing contest about which economic model has killed the most people, after the 2 World Wars, the Cold War, and today's perpetual war policy?

The entire Europeans and African theatres in the World Wars were directly because of capitalism and imperialism (not to mention the West's "Opium Wars" against China). And then there were the Banana Wars in Latin America. And the countless Cold War proxy battles, from Ethiopia and Angola to Indonesia & Vietnam (which fought for independence by kicking out its Japanese imperial occupiers, then its French occupiers, then America's coalition). And now capitalism plays a major role in our oil wars all over the world.

And note, I've never said I was communist. In fact, I've said repeatedly that communist goes too far. edit: So I'm not sure why you used this as a rebuttal for my post that shows the links between America's anti-communist fearmongering and racism.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I don't trust anything you have to say about Islam them

originally posted by: Indigent
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I don't trust anything you have to say about Islam them

So? You don't have to trust me on Islam. No one has to. When it's important enough, I usually link to an appropriate passage in the Qur'an so it can speak for itself. And if something isn't in the Qur'an, I simply say it. After all, I can't show a link for something that doesn't exist.

And what does that have to do with what I said? Location alone doesn't make someone an infallible expert. That's a fact. If it did, every American here would be experts on American economics, including the Bernie supporters the OP is trying to dissuade.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Don't you see all your rambling is stupid? I ask if he trusted a video more and then I say I will give him videos.

Your holier than thu actitude is so tiresome, specially when all you critize you do.

According to your, really senseless comment, no one can be trusted, because agendas, but a video that shows the vision someone wants to show is ok.

I will get the videos that show the vision I want to show, if that somehow makes you people justify the mental loops you do.

Because a video means nothing in this case, what does it show, a super market among hundred of thousands?

Oh and first thing I said to the person was, go see yourself, that must be the strongest clue of bias ever

a reply to: Indigent

The video I posted shows what someone else said and that is that shelves are not empty but that they are missing the controlled items. That doesn't mean that they are not available in the local (black) market, although they probably have a higher price.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Communism has killed nearly a 100 million people with its crazy purges and "revolutions".

And capitalism and imperialism have killed how many millions of people? You really want to get into a pissing contest about which economic model has killed the most people, after the 2 World Wars, the Cold War, and today's perpetual war policy?


The fascist national socialists actively murdered over 17 million people.
Mao's marxist policies where responsible for up to 65 million people dying.
Stalin's marxist policies where responsible for over 56-62 million people dying.

www.thecommentator.com...


The entire Europeans and African theatres in the World Wars were directly because of capitalism and imperialism (not to mention the West's "Opium Wars" against China). And then there were the Banana Wars in Latin America. And the countless Cold War proxy battles, from Ethiopia and Angola to Indonesia & Vietnam (which fought for independence by kicking out its Japanese imperial occupiers, then its French occupiers, then America's coalition). And now capitalism plays a major role in our oil wars all over the world.

And note, I've never said I was communist. In fact, I've said repeatedly that communist goes too far. edit: So I'm not sure why you used this as a rebuttal for my post that shows the links between America's anti-communist fearmongering and racism.

Communism does not have a good track record of success.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Capitalism has a good press agent.

At least in your neck of the woods.

a reply to: Swills Yes we want it run by a person who builds things.not by a slug in a crumpled suit with worn out failed ideas.Sweden and Norway are so happy they cant defend themselves from third world rapists. Their systems are failing. How many people here on the left do you see that are happy? Which model does Bernie admire Cuba? I can see him now in his new Caddy while your fixing your worn out 1954 Buick on your 20$ a month salary-

a reply to: daskakik

All government is dangerous if not restricted(constitution and bill of rights,checks on powers,armed population).

Government is extremely dangerous if power is centralized and unchecked.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Communist China isn't doing to badly is it ?

China's economy is socialist, but has added capitalist components, such as privitization and open market, so it is not a true socialist economy. Every market is not set by government quotas.

www.china.org.cn...

In my time in China, I only saw one truly socialist thing and that was the government provided heating in buildings in colder climates. This is done by piping hot water through floors and walls in all the buildings. It was nice, but also aided in the pollution with all the plants required to heat the water. Another negative was I couldn't control the temperature and the government controls when it gets turned on and turned off.

The internet is censored by the government. The Great Firewall of China is real. I used a vpn and bypassed it, though.

The media is controlled, but it is controlled in the U.S. by certain people, not government controlled. In ever day life, it wasn't much different on a local level. They were excited to have me, an American, interviewed and played on the local news that night.

Granted, I didn't go around to stores and shops asking the owners about their system. They wouldn't have understood me anyways.

They have both public and private schools. Lots of private schools. It is very easy to start private schools.

I never saw people standing in line with food vouchers, but I did see public markets on every other street.

To me, I didn't notice anything different than the way it is in the U.S. except there are less restrictions for people to make their own money

For instance, those public markets would be shut down in the U.S. by the fda due to food regulations. In the U.S., lemonade stands have been shut down for not having a permit or food prepping credentials.

There, I would walk out of my apartment and get fresh fruit, veggies, and meat right there on the street. Don't want to cook? Plenty of people making food there on the street with no requirement other than having the means to move their equipment to an open space. In the U.S., you must have a permit and prepping requirements..

I will say this, though. There is lots and lots of money there.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
All government is dangerous if not restricted(constitution and bill of rights,checks on powers,armed population).

Authoritarian government is extremely dangerous if power is centralized and unchecked.

In my country the majority of deaths are counted in the US roster. It's Guatemala if you are interested.

The right wing governments put in place by the US in favor of corporate entities did what they had to do. For decades, maybe close to a century, we have been seeing americans saying one thing and their (your) government doing the other.

a reply to: gator2001

So thy are thriving in the local economy?

What do you mean by lots of money, who?

How can there be lots of money and people willing to work in slave factories like Foxxcon at the same time?

That tells two different stories.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
All government is dangerous if not restricted(constitution and bill of rights,checks on powers,armed population).

Authoritarian government is extremely dangerous if power is centralized and unchecked.

In my country the majority of deaths are counted in the US roster. It's Guatemala if you are interested.

The right wing governments put in place by the US in favor of corporate entities did what they had to do. For decades, maybe close to a century, we have been seeing americans saying one thing and their (your) government doing the other.

I am a libertarian. The government is run by corporations not the general public.

Most people here don't like the government's crazy policies.

a reply to: onequestion

Yeah the Foxxcon factories with bars on the windows and suicide nets?

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: onequestion

Yeah the Foxxcon factories with bars on the windows and suicide nets?

Yeah people locally have to know it sucks and probably don't have other options.

That doesn't say good local economy.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
I am a libertarian. The government is run by corporations not the general public.

Most people here don't like the government's crazy policies.

I get that but still, things are what they are.

My point was that the things you mentioned (constitution and bill of rights,checks on powers,armed population), which we happen to have, have not served us and the reason is because a stronger government gets to implement their agenda.

a reply to: Indigent

You're entitled to your own opinion(s). As am I. But you asked if someone would believe a video over you (a person from Venezuela). That isn't a logical argument so I pointed it out.

Location doesn't make someone right or wrong. If I tell you that America's deserts are made of cottage cheese and have giant crocodiles running around in them, should you believe me just because I'm from America? No. You'd probably want evidence of my claims.

Also, it's not like I called you a liar. So I don't know why you're taking it so personally. But I'll stand by my argument that location alone doesn't make someone right or wrong.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

(sigh) Who's arguing in favor of communism? Are you equating communism and socialism? Because they're not the same things. And I still don't see what this has to do with my original post you replied to. My post wasn't taking up for communism; it was proving the very real link between historical anti-Marxist fearmongering and racism in America.