"Screw You America"

This is one of the most beautiful rants against the administration and the people who voted for them that I've seen. You've GOT to read it. You can just feel the the righteous anger pouring from it. He makes some good points, but the draw is that he says things alot of us are too polite or too afraid to say about our "fellow Americans".

For liberals it will be very theraputic. For Bush voters...well, it'll probably piss you off because it's true...but who gives a damn. Read it anyway. Read it all...don't forget that there's two pages.

I agree with and back every word this fellow says. I've never read anything that so completely sums up my feelings towards....well, just read it.

www.portlandphoenix.com...

Well....This guy doesn't seem to stop once he gets going does he?

I though it was pretty good....not exactly the most enjoyable read - If it were any written darker I'd of needed a friggin flashlight to read it....

Most of its just personal opinion that he seems to regard as fact....but they're opinions I mostly agree with...

I was kind of surprised this piece actually got published....that is until I found out that this guy, Clif Garboden, is the senior managing editor of the Phoenix Media Communications Group....which is not too shabby of a position at this multi-conglomerate media organization...they do news print and radio in multiple cities, they offer mobile communications (text messaging, wireless internet)....Seems like this guy is a big fish - If he wants his laundry dried on your doorstep, you gotta gripe down not up to stop him....

And if you look at some of his other work you can easily find online by googling the guy, he does nothing all day but rant rant rant....

All that aside though - I thought this one I found was pretty funny....I guess he must have just gone down a television channel listing and found programs he thought sounded bad enough to verbally abuse.....
www.bostonphoenix.com...

4:00 (5) Gershwin on Ice: A few weeks ago, we ran afoul of the Andrea Bocelli Fan Club, which objected to our quip that the blind quasi-tenor shouldn’t be skating with the pros. (The organized hate mail was unbelievable; you’d think we’d insulted John Denver.) Just to continue the cruelty, we’ll point out that George Gershwin is dead and would probably skate even worse than Andrea. Coming next week: Spinoza on Ice: A Mind-Bending Spectacular! (Until 5 p.m.)

LMFAO!!


[edit on 1/12/2005 by EnronOutrunHomerun]

Wow! Such eloquence. It's nice to know that the likes of that individual is deprived of power. What he doesn't understand about the issues would fill an encyclopedia.

He is nothing but a pussyfied crybaby-----you lost you idiot-----don't get over it----who cares!

Originally posted by EnronOutrunHomerun

All that aside though - I thought this one I found was pretty funny....I guess he must have just gone down a television channel listing and found programs he thought sounded bad enough to verbally abuse.....
www.bostonphoenix.com...

4:00 (5) Gershwin on Ice: A few weeks ago, we ran afoul of the Andrea Bocelli Fan Club, which objected to our quip that the blind quasi-tenor shouldn’t be skating with the pros. (The organized hate mail was unbelievable; you’d think we’d insulted John Denver.) Just to continue the cruelty, we’ll point out that George Gershwin is dead and would probably skate even worse than Andrea. Coming next week: Spinoza on Ice: A Mind-Bending Spectacular! (Until 5 p.m.)

LMFAO!!


[edit on 1/12/2005 by EnronOutrunHomerun]

Holy crap, that's some funny stuff.... I love this guy. I love rants. Like I said, they're theraputic.

And Grady, you only think he doesn't understand the issues because you disagree with him. I think he does understand the issues because I share his opinion. It's all subjective, now isn't it?

He could have but a bunch of "facts" in there and tried to present a calm, well-reasoned argument, but that gets in the way of the raw emotion and hatred.

Man, I didn't even get to read it! The link just brings me to some random tid-bits of various articals. Oh well, it's most likely the same old boring rhetoric that's been viciously spewed towards the administration with utter hate, all this while talking about compassion and understanding. Let me guess, "Bush stole the election! Make every vote count!" Guess what? As John Stewart said, "...we tried that...it didn't work "

Can someone find me a real link?

Fundamentalism, the facile belief in the unexplained and un-researched, is something you born-agains (couldn’t get it right the first time, huh?) share with Al Qaeda, whose ideologues doggedly adhere to religious misinterpretations every bit as silly and dangerous as yours.

Whether you are Christian or not, the idea of being born again is not that difficult to understand, if one would only try.

John.3
[1] There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
[2] The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
[3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
www.hti.umich.edu...
mercy.urantia.org...

Now, is that so hard to understand?

Gun control? We said "control," not confiscation. And there are high-powered automatic weapons most civilians really do not need. Even moose tend to come at you one at a time. "But shooting’s fun!" you argue. "It’s a sport." Breaking windows and driving 100 miles an hour are fun, but they’re legally controlled activities. "But," you object, "how do I defend my family when the nigras and the Jews and the Communists from Harvard come on my property?" Right. Lock the gate; everybody covets your Tupperware and your chard. We’ll be right over.

Automatic weapons have never been at issue in recent gun legislation. Automatic weapons have been covered under the same legislation since 1932. If the author is speaking of "assault weapons," he surely doesn't know whereof he speaks. As for self-protection, the author seems to think that anyone who believes that a firearm is a very efficient form of home security must be a racist. This is far from the truth and such an assertion speaks only to his ignorance of the issues of which he speaks.

I will be looking into the Phoenix Media Group to see if I am doing business with them or anyone associated with them. If so, that will cease immediately.






[edit on 05/1/12 by GradyPhilpott]

Eh, don't take him too seriously. He's just blowing off steam. Of course he's using sweeping generalizations and stereotypes. He's pissed....I'm pissed, half of America is pissed. It's rage. Conservatives control EVERYTHING now, the least you could give us is right to fume.... Not as if we'll ever have another fair election, so you'll probably be in power until the next revolution.

I'm going to have to disagree with his belief that religion was the deciding factor in this past election. It isn't that simple. The cause for Bush's win may be more, erm....electronic.

Not to get into a religious debate, but I think the fellow's point about fundamentalist Christanity and fundamentalist Islam having alot in common is on the mark. Of course his assertion was smothered in hatred in disdain, but I think it was somewhat valid. I'm surprised the two sides don't get along better...

Education encourages creative thought. Creative thought empowers people. Fascists hate creative thought. So it’s incredibly convenient for the GOP that you folks actually want your kids to be dumb. Which is why the No Child Left Behind initiative you endorse has, in fact, done nothing! Happy?

LOL

heh heh

i love a good rant. some stuff i agree with though i think this guy has the subtlety of an M1 Abrams tank

also, slagging someone off is not always the best way to get them to listen to you

With all due respect to those who supported Kerry, I would just like to explain that I'm not at all like the people he characterizes as having voted for Bush, even though there are plenty of folks here who believe that I am. A very common misconception is that those of us who have managed to stay alive on this planet for multiple decades have learned nothing in our tenure. We just sprang from the womb with conservative ideas or that we learned them at our parents' knees and have never given anything a second thought.

The fact is that a lot of conservatives were really quite extreme liberals in our youth and learned under trial by fire that every new thing that comes down the pike or just discarding tradition for the hell of it is not the best way. When I read this editorial, my first thought was that the author is a college freshman venting the oppression of his rearing, when, in fact, he is probably about as old as I am.

I don't want a theocracy. I think creationism is a crock. But, I also believe that the Second Amendment means what it says, that parents have the right to influence what their kids are taught in school and that the marriage instituion is so important to the maintenance of society that it needs to be revered by all, both heterosexual and otherwise, and that that means that it is an institution for opposite sex couple for the legitmation of sexuality and child rearing.

Anyone who reads this knows its a rant, but in that rant the author covers enough material that it really should insult all Americans, especially the title. If this kind of rhetoric rings your bell, fine, but I'm not impressed and if this is the way the supporters of Kerry and the Democrat Party think, then, perhaps, we would do well not to have them influencing public policy, at all.

[edit on 05/1/13 by GradyPhilpott]

Now...I'm not the kind of guy to judge a book by its cover...

And if you're replying to this thread...then chances are, you've read the pages in the book...so lets look at the cover....lol


Good 'ol Cliffy is on the right....

Well - He looks happy to be on this Earth...lol....looks like the kid the high school bullies use to torture...

I'd say this guy has a lot more repressed anger then what his article suggests he has....

Oh please, you call that anger? You need to tune in into THE SAVAGE NATION hosted by Michael "SAVAGE" Wiener. We could sit here all day surmising people's childhood history based on how we think they look from a photo...

This article is tame compared to some of the rabid hate I have heard some popular radio broadcasters spew.

Edit: By the way, it looks like the guy on the left is serenading him and he doesn't like it one bit.

[edit on 13-1-2005 by cargo]

We need a sarcasm tag at ATS....sheesh....

[edit on 1/13/2005 by EnronOutrunHomerun]

Sorry man...read it as legit, but you can't really blame me!

I'd say the smiley does a good job of sarcasm.

He did make some points, republicans are afraid that gays, with marrige, will become like some virus that will get their children or something. Maybe they should worry that the guy telling them that homosexuals are going to hell is bugging their kid or not.

Oh well, 50.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the people voted for Bush, well, maybe 50.00000000001%, but have to remove the illegal aliens the republicans are known to use to get votes. Or the electronic voting machines made by a republican, and with nothing recorded, can't prove that 10,000 votes are real or simulated.(Or what to do, is make one vote for Bush count as 10miilion, so when 3.7 trillion people voted for Bush, he would be sent to jail and stuff for trying to steal an election. Damn, I wish I had thought of that before Nov. 2nd

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Grady, is that you in your avatar? I'm wondering cause if it is...you look exactly as I would of imagined you...exactly!
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Grady, is that you in your avatar? I'm wondering cause if it is...you look exactly as I would of imagined you...exactly!
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Thats freaky, as I was thinking the esact same thing. He is exactly as I pictured him.......

Eh, the thread's dead anyway, might as well change the subject...

But I want to know too. Is that you Grady? I kind of imagined you with a moustache or beard, but for the most part you match my mental pictures. You look mean in that picture....you're not mean are you? I'm soft, spongy and un-threatening (physically) don't hurt me!

Loved the rant. Agreed with most of it and truly believe that The new Rebublican dominion is the end of Democracy as Jefferson, Franklin and their cronies designed it. I hope my kids aren't fodder for the next economically based war.
We've got a lot of problems, have had a lot of problems and generally speaking I feel that the man of the hour (be it WWI, II, Pearl Harbor, Bay of Pigs or 9-11) has stood up for our country well. I don't believe that there are Fords, Chevys and Dodges for no reason. We'll never learn to agree to disagree peacefully.
This thread is one of the main reasons I'm here. To listen to the mainstream duke it out over what the future holds for us all. What started as a post that I've printed and intend to share seems to have gone south, but I hope it's start is a sign of things to come for this newbie. I'm here to listen and learn and I understand that few of us are here to have our minds changed but hope we can have civil discussions (like this one has been) knowing that going in we're opinionated individuals who can't change each others minds but love a good political discussion with no rancor.

Fred