Cruz calls for patrols of Muslim neighborhoods

People out there who think they will get a reward for the evil deeds they do by walking in a place and killing whoever?

a reply to: MysticPearl

Then you will also have noticed that I get annoyed at idiots who post inflammatory statements about things that they know nothing about, backed up with cites to websites that are dementedly badly informed. I also note that you are attacking me and not my facts. I had your number from the start. You want to scream and shout and panic people.

a reply to: TaleDawn

“We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.

Idiot

Maybe law enforcement can secure all our neighborhoods while they're at it and just eliminate crime. Lazy SOBs

What Cruz doesn't understand about radicalization he could learn from Trump

My stance on this is the same as it was on the "ground zero mosque," warrantless wiretaps, profiling by DHS in airports, and warrantless stops and seizures for immigrants:

If compelling evidence for reasonable, actionable suspicion of violent or criminal activity exists, then allow law enforcement and associated agencies all authority necessary to deal with that, increase patrols in neighborhoods or on streets where violence or crime seem higher, etc. etc. All good.

But before that point, without said compelling evidence or probable cause, disproportionate actions predicated solely upon religious faith and/or ethnicity are not something I can or will support.

No ethnic or religious profiling will ever sit right with me.

Peace.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ISLAMIC STATE WANTS

They want the Western World to persecute Muslims and make them feel unwelcome, as though they cannot fit into Western society. The more they feel alienated and unwelcome in their own countries the more of them will fall for the teachings of extremism, and the more will become homegrown soldiers for their global Jihad.

It is a strategy carefully constructed in the United States and elsewhere since September 11th, to create a new enemy, and they have succeeded.

Are people realizing where this remark is coming from? Many Muslim neighborhoods don't like (read don't allow) police to enter into their neighborhoods. I don't want to live in a police state, anymore than it has already become, but these neighborhoods ARE much like the Wild West. Should we just let these areas police themselves? What happens when members in a community like this, try to stone a woman to death for being raped? Should the police just stand by and let it happen?

Of course not, but that's is where this comment from. These areas are not policed very well, if at all in some places.

And the NYPD Commissioner has come out with this, stating that Cruz doesn't know what he's talking about.

good call but too little too late

a reply to: TaiHaiChen

It's not a good call. This is what the Islamic State wants.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
Monitoring Muslim areas here only throws a tarp over the issue. Preventing them for existing in the first place is the real issue and Trump was the only one who's confronted that from the beginning.

Sure, and maybe what we should do is move them into their own neighborhoods so it's easier to keep an eye on them. Don't let them out without passes. Make them wear badges in public, so we can spot them. What could go wrong?

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: MysticPearl
Can't believe how stupid the EU is regarding Islam and how stupid so much of America is in denying the threat.

The attacks in Belgium obviously were a response to the Paris ringleader being arrested. The problem however is what a few have warned about. The attacks were launched from within the no-go zones in Belgium. These no-go zones are cells ready to ignite.

If folks have seen videos of what occurs in these no-go zones they understand these are Sharia and extremist controlled neighborhoods which police are too afraid to go into. Why are they afraid? The response they'll get. Safety issues. And now we're once again seeing why that is. It's not just personal safety of the police trying to make an arrest or enforce the laws on the books, it's the greater threat that you risk pissing off an entire no-go zone which has sleeper terrorists within, and they'll respond with terror attacks.

The foundation for a civil war is laid. Ushering these Muslims into EU countries and allowing Sharia controlled no-go zones necessitates terror to come from within. It's an attack from within. Many are EU citizens getting schooled in Jihad from within.

The greatest problem at large is that countries will not be able to rid themselves of terrorists within their own no-go zones without attacks on its own citizens being the response. Governments won't pay for this, it's the average men, women and children who'll pay for this.

As if women getting raped by packs of refugee wolves isn't enough. Down the road when EU states try to correct the problem the citizens of their countries are going to get blown up.

This is the threat from Muslims communities who ultimately become Sharia controlled zones as we've seen in Germany, France, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Belgium and England. Cruz isn't so much wrong here so much as Trump was right and has been right all along.

But the left and most of our politicians at large would prefer playing the PC card, worrying to offend Muslims, and only when there are attacks and innocents lose their lives do they start to change their tune. Cruz himself was afraid to offend until this last attack. And that's been the attitude of much of the EU. Too late! Now the citizens will pay as any attempt to clean up the no-go zones will awaken the sleeper cells.

Monitoring Muslim areas here only throws a tarp over the issue. Preventing them for existing in the first place is the real issue and Trump was the only one who's confronted that from the beginning.

There are no 'no go' zones. This was found to be made up.

I did see a report from Met Police officers that said it was true.
Here is the story;

www.dailymail.co.uk... ml

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: Wardaddy454

As usual you must be a Trump supporter. That method has being tried and hasn't worked before.

It work well for Hitler!

Oh no! Not another Hitler comparison!

Cruz is making a knee-jerk reaction to what happened in Brussels. I don't think "knee-jerk reactions" and the Presidency are a good fit. In fact, it scares the hell out of me.

When things calm down, maybe he will too. He's riding a wave of emotion and that won't fly.

I think Cruz is heading in Trump's direction because he needs to quickly close the policy gap and offer the people an apparent choice based on favourability vs policy. It's the only way he has a chance. In other words he is giving up on his platform to appeal to the popular vote.

In terms of a solution, I am not sure patrolling neighbourhoods is the answer. I certainly would not like to be the poor cop doing the patrolling. He's going to be the target of a lot of abuse.

I'll be open enough to offer my solution:

DEALING WITH THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM:
1) close the border to all non American Muslims for a period of 1 year
2) deal with exceptions on a case by case basis, investing in resources to work on necessary case files.
3) Refuse all refugees
4) In that year (from point 1) implement a verification process that receives applications for entry and a period of a further year of monitoring that person's behaviour and associations outside of the country before entry is allowed.
5) Open border and allow verified Muslims only to enter.
6) All new entrants agree to 5 years of monitoring as part of a naturalisation process that includes learning the language, culture and history of the country and the values of the society
7) Immediate deportation for crime - based on new classification system covering immigrant crime.
8) Monitor all Mosques and work on building/adding to a suspected database of radical islamists
9) Monitor all public and private activity of those on the suspect register and have a process for removing and adding to the register (transparent)
10) Bring in a country wide death penalty for all convicted terrorists
11) Use whatever means necessary to extract information from captured and proven terrorists

SHORT TERM IN MIDDLE EAST:
1) Declare war on ISIS and grant amnesty for a set period for ISIS soldiers to lay down arms - do this in conjuction with the declaration of mid to long term aims (below).
2) Use air power and ground troops to completely wipe out every last ISIS fighter that remains and liberate every storng hold.
3) Negotiate inclusion of NATO and especially Middle Eastern countries in air and ground war effort.
4) Accept collateral damage as unavoidable and place the responsibility squarely on ISIS if they use human shields.
5) Build and protect safe zones in the ME countries under attack or controlled by ISIS
6) Treat all terrorist groups the same as ISIS (disavow all support for 'moderate terrorists')

MID-LONGER TERM ISSUE OF THE MIDDLE EAST:
1) Withdraw all forces from the middle east except a protection force for Israel
2) Stop nation building in the Middle East by usurping leaders.
3) Give up on the notion that America is morally or culturally superior to other nations.
4) Open up trade and economic stimulus in return for human rights deals, but never use sanctions (carrot not stick)
5) change the rhetoric to stop demonising others cultures (that goes for Trump too)
6) Keep diplomatic lines open

Or something like that

UKTruth is right on the money. Excellent points and solutions.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

And again, I'm reminded by the fact that you don't know what "facts" are. You're simply arguing based on emotion, a fool's errand.

You haven't countered any of the facts presented in this thread, haven't touched on the no-go zone problem across Europe. Haven't touched on a solution to the issues they present.

Your entire argument is essentially "I haven't seen one myself". That's not an argument. You're essentially the guy who dismisses extremism and will dismiss it up until the day you get blown up.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Your solution seems to be working well. Europe should take note. Let them be, ignore the threat, treat everyone as equals.

Then sit there looking dumbfounded when suicide bombers kill a bunch of people.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

And again, I'm reminded by the fact that you don't know what "facts" are. You're simply arguing based on emotion, a fool's errand.

You haven't countered any of the facts presented in this thread, haven't touched on the no-go zone problem across Europe. Haven't touched on a solution to the issues they present.

Your entire argument is essentially "I haven't seen one myself". That's not an argument. You're essentially the guy who dismisses extremism and will dismiss it up until the day you get blown up.

It is not a question of just me saying 'I haven't see a no-go area', it's more the fact that I don't know a single damn person who has ever seen one, or heard of one. There have been no reports in the domestic media (local or national), with Snopes confirming that they are total bullcrap. There is no 'no-go' problem, because they don't exist. Except of course in the minds of a bunch of fearmongering twits at Faux News.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

And again, I'm reminded by the fact that you don't know what "facts" are. You're simply arguing based on emotion, a fool's errand.

You haven't countered any of the facts presented in this thread, haven't touched on the no-go zone problem across Europe. Haven't touched on a solution to the issues they present.

Your entire argument is essentially "I haven't seen one myself". That's not an argument. You're essentially the guy who dismisses extremism and will dismiss it up until the day you get blown up.

It is not a question of just me saying 'I haven't see a no-go area', it's more the fact that I don't know a single damn person who has ever seen one, or heard of one. There have been no reports in the domestic media (local or national), with Snopes confirming that they are total bullcrap. There is no 'no-go' problem, because they don't exist. Except of course in the minds of a bunch of fearmongering twits at Faux News.

See a few posts up - there is a link to metropolitan police telling us there are no go zones.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Your solution seems to be working well. Europe should take note. Let them be, ignore the threat, treat everyone as equals. Then sit there looking dumbfounded when suicide bombers kill a bunch of people.

Like I said in another thread "...this Global Coalition needs to be a room full of hackers, fueled by pizza and diet coke. And they would be the ones to instruct the hunter/killer teams. Anything else is bull# designed to make the stupid feel mighty." If you're not going after the money and the arms trade, then you ain't doin' squat...simply making rich people richer, and indebting (and/or killing) your children.