I will vote against Donald Trump.

a reply to: Arizonaguy
Yeah.
He is, after all, an attorney.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: KingKelson

Wait so are you saying that his comments about Muslims are unconstitutional, or did he make a comment about the Muslim faith being unconstitutional?
Discriminating based on religion is against the constitution.
And being for immigration is all fine and dandy but why shouldn't there be a legal immigration policy that is enforced instead of just letting everyone and anyone come in and immediately become citizens? That just seems like it would lead to complete anarchy.
He is talking about deporting almost 11 million people that is crazy and impractical. We have to stop illegal immigration but mass deportation?
Also, if anti-immigration is so bad, why does every single other country in the world make and enforce their own immigration policy? None of them would be considered anti immigration yet they seem to like knowing who is in their country, for what purpose and for how long. Those racists.
I never said anything about race.
Trump really hadn't said anything anti immigration really. Just that those who have come here illegally should be kicked out to start the legal process begins those who are already in said process. Which seems fair to me. If I was in the middle of the process to become a citizen the legal way, I'd be pretty annoyed at the people who pretty much cut in line and demand they be made citizens first. Just my personal feelings so take that how you will.
No. We are not going to deport 11 million people. A fine and a work visa, with a social security number but no citizenship ahead of people that waited legitimately.
But whatever dude, you, as an American Citizen have the right to believe what you want so enjoy that while it lasts.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Sry but a lot of us want just that.

Though it is much closer to 20,000,000 that are going to get the boot .

Good cry in a safe place, because most of us actually American citizens are tired of the BS where illegals get the same pay don't pay taxes and get full welfare we don't even qualify for.

Must be nice to break the law and have it twice as good as those following it.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Deportations are at record highs and have been since 2008 When Obama took office.

Depends on your definition of deportation.

www.latimes.com...

The 'official paperwork' definition for ICE changed with Obama.

a reply to: Sargeras

the BS where illegals get the same pay don't pay taxes and get full welfare

Yes. That is BS. Because it doesn't really happen much.

Tell me though, are you ok with citizens evading taxes or fraudulently using the welfare system? Because it's just as illegal for them to do so as it is for "illegals" to.

originally posted by: eisegesis
This thread could have easily been posted in any ongoing Trump thread.

You don't even give specific examples or sources for your accusations.

I've never seen a thread started by an ATS member to declare who he/she is NOT going to vote for. It's amazing how HUGE some egos are, isn't it?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

The 'official paperwork' definition for ICE changed with Obama.

No, it didn't.
Deportation is deportation.

a reply to: Sargeras
You don't realize that Trump's policies are insane.

Building a wall like in communist east Germany? Do you want that to be the symbol of the United States that to the world?

Stealing another countries resources?

Banning travel into the US on religion alone(not a terrorist organization designation that would be legitimate but a whole religion?)

Almost as insane as Bernie and Hillary marxist globalist policies.

Maybe we need Trump to truly ruin everything for the people to wake up?

Maybe this is a good thing.

The Libertarians need to act now. The GOP is a sinking ship.

originally posted by: Phage
I've never seen that "against" box on a Presidential ballot.
Is it something new?

I think he is voting for #NeverTrump or he could write in Not Trump. It might get counted as a vote for Trump however.

I can't wait to see his post when Trump wins the general election. "I voted against Trump but he still won!"

a reply to: BIGPoJo

I can't wait to see his post when Trump wins the general election.

ooof

I can. I could wait a long time for that and not get tired of waiting.

How to separate church and state? Making those of faith strangers in their own land. Tent pegs pulled and pushed to the boundaries. Weights and measures run by those who commoditize what the land and sea freely give. Arms of war sold as security, a two-headed snake that promises health while ensuring the hush gets paid to extract maximum profit, a distraction from the rod and staff. Vote? I did once, symbolically.

a reply to: BIGPoJo


After Trump wins the Presidential election, the broken souls who wasted their time and energy on Hillary, will label all Republicans, Independents and the millions of cross-over Democrats who voted for President Trump, stupid morons.

a reply to: carewemust
Um...
That's sort of what's going on right now.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Sargeras

the BS where illegals get the same pay don't pay taxes and get full welfare

Yes. That is BS. Because it doesn't really happen much.

Tell me though, are you ok with citizens evading taxes or fraudulently using the welfare system? Because it's just as illegal for them to do so as it is for "illegals" to.

It happens a great deal, when I did block masonry we had 12 US citizens and 16 illegal Mexicans.

We all made the same pay, but they got paid cash, and didn't pay taxes.

They also talked about how they were getting $800 a month a piece in food stamps ,free book feed for school and free child care.

None of us legal workers qualified for any welfare, and we paid taxes.

This is across the spectrum in the trades, I know first hand, having worked in most of them at one time or another.

And it isn't just the trades, it is manufacturing retail etc..

The gov stats say it isn't happening, just like the gov stats say unemployment is at 6% which everyone knows is total BS.

It is all propaganda, to continue the status quo.

Well US regular folks that see this everyday know the truth.

Wanna know why we support trump, name anyone else who has even mentioned the real problems that real working class folks are facing.

None, hence trumps support. It really is that simple to understand.

a reply to: Sargeras

We all made the same pay, but they got paid cash, and didn't pay taxes.

Illegally evading paying taxes. I know citizens who do the same. My employer wouldn't stand for paying anyone, legal or not, cash. Why does yours?

They also talked about how they were getting $800 a month a piece in food stamps ,free book feed for school and free child care.

If so, they were doing so fraudulently. Of course, no citizens would ever do that.

Wanna know why we support trump, name anyone else who has even mentioned the real problems that real working class folks are facing.

Yessiree. Don is indeed a working class hero. Says what you want to hear, but not so big on much else.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Sargeras
You don't realize that Trump's policies are insane.

Building a wall like in communist east Germany? Do you want that to be the symbol of the United States that to the world?

Stealing another countries resources?

Banning travel into the US on religion alone(not a terrorist organization designation that would be legitimate but a whole religion?)

Almost as insane as Bernie and Hillary marxist globalist policies.

Maybe we need Trump to truly ruin everything for the people to wake up?

Maybe this is a good thing.

The Libertarians need to act now. The GOP is a sinking ship.

These I do want the world to know that.

Let them all know the free ride and rape of American workers is over.

Because that is what it has been for decades.

# the people from other countries and what they think.

I care about my people, Americans!!

Everyone else can rot for all I care.

It is time to think about our own for a change.

a reply to: Sargeras

It is time to think about our own for a change.

Including those who evade taxes and fraudulently use public support?

a reply to: carewemust

If his policies are as insane as he says then its good for the libertarians in 2021.

Its over for the two party cartel.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman
Not exactly.

Whatever else he is, Obama is not a dick.

He has murdered hundreds of innocent people.
Something Trump can only have wet dreams about.

He is indeed a "dick" of the highest calibre.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman
Not exactly.

Whatever else he is, Obama is not a dick.

That is open for debate.

Phage is right.

He's a dickhead.

Big diff.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

He has murdered hundreds of innocent people.

Well, not singlehandedly.
But that sort of goes with the job description.