Masons here at ATS say the Mason belief has no religion?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Skywatcher2011
That said, I believe in something higher but cannot put a face or name to it.

I am in the same boat as you then. I am panentheistic so I just call it God and move on.

I can't even say God at the moment...even though I would like to. The scientist in me wants proof before I can even validate the existence of such a super being....such is my fate to be on the fence.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: dollukka

There is some of the Hiramic Legend in the front, sections covering the portions used in the York and Scottish Rites with references, explanations of the symbolism and a glossary.

Hiramic legend of Hiram Abiff who was killed, buried and resurrected and saviour to masons? Show me this in actual bible where it does say so, where are the ancient scriptures or are there any which prooves Hirams value?

/curiosity killed the cat

a reply to: dollukka

where and how is Hiram a savior to masons? do you even know how the story goes?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: dollukka

where and how is Hiram a savior to masons? do you even know how the story goes?

Exactly. Hiram Abiff is less a savior and more a revered master mason/architect that one should emulate. There is no call for praying to or worshiping him at all. It is like a man you may know, that you hold to a high esteem in your life, that you wish to emulate as a mentor.

a reply to: dollukka

It is not in the Bible. It is an invented story we use as an allegorical teaching lesson about fidelity.

a reply to: network dude

Hiram Abiff a worker in the temple of King Salomon, he was a son of the widow. Hiramic degree in masonry goes with a ritual of Hiram´s death where charachter takes a role of Hiram and another charachter takes a role of King Salomon. Hiram Abiff were asked of masonry secrets by other workers and he refused to give those so the other workers killed him. They buried him, he was raised ( resurrected ) from the death by King Salomon ( in a role play with special grip ).. he was buried twice by the killers, first under the rubble and later to another grave.

Albert Pike the master mason stated that Hiram Abiff is translated as " Hiram, his father´s "..

originally posted by: dollukka
...he was raised ( resurrected ) from the death by King Salomon ( in a role play with special grip ).. he was buried twice by the killers, first under the rubble and later to another grave.

You were good up until that point. He is not resurrected, he is quite physically dead at the end of the degree. You can make the argument he is 'resurrected' in the sense that he went to an afterlife but I think that is not really what the word means.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: dollukka
...he was raised ( resurrected ) from the death by King Salomon ( in a role play with special grip ).. he was buried twice by the killers, first under the rubble and later to another grave.

You were good up until that point. He is not resurrected, he is quite physically dead at the end of the degree. You can make the argument he is 'resurrected' in the sense that he went to an afterlife but I think that is not really what the word means.

Especially if he has no flesh on that hand. It would really tough to go through a new resurrected life life that. More than likely you would bleed out in minutes.

a reply to: dollukka

so he was the lead builder of the Temple. He was not a God, nor revered as one. When he is raised, he is not "resurrected". Just removed from the grave his killers put him in.

Behold the dreadfully mangled and putrid condition of the body. If he walked again, he'd be the ugliest zombie you've ever seen.

I wonder why people feel the need to demonize masonry simply because they don't understand it. If it was truly evil in any way, it seems like the good people who join would say something. All they say is that it's a great way to spend some free time and meet some great men. go figure.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Too funny. Just because someone gives you a Bible does not mean you have to read it and gobble up everything that is in there.

You do know in predominantly non-Christian countries they have other books besides the Bible?

Folks......here is a mason and he does not deny what I have written but tries to laugh it off.

So now that a mason has basically admitted to the truth (which is rare because they are told to lie about this subject)
walk away from this sect, stop paying these ridiculous dues to belong to something that is evil and wicked.

There are thousands of better ways to serve mankind.

Evil and wicked indeed. Why, just the other day, I caught AugustusMasonicus drinking the blood he drained from a baby out of a 12-week old puppy's hollowed-out skull while hammering dents in my project car. I'm assuming he did this because George H.W. Bush (whom all Masons have a direct line to) directed him to do so. It's part of the Masons' long-range plan to destroy humanity.

If you don't believe that, then you shouldn't believe any of the other nonsense you believe about the Masons.

Disclosure: I'm not a Mason.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Probably because it's funny.

Yes, I have seen the video previously.
It's interesting.


But hardly insidious.

There are thousands of better ways to serve mankind.

Name ten, please.

originally posted by: dogstar23
If you don't believe that, then you shouldn't believe any of the other nonsense you believe about the Masons.

Exactly! What you just described is completely unbelievable. I would not be caught dead around your project car.

There are thousands of better ways to serve mankind.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Name ten, please.

1)Braised
2)Deep fried
3)Poached
4)Grilled
5)Sautéed
6)Broiled
7)Roasted
8)Pureed
9)Chilled
10)On a pizza





edit on 4-3-2016 by AugustusMasonicus because: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Genius.


I would also have accepted pickled.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I would also have accepted pickled.

Oh, believe me, you will.

I've also posted a picture of my Masonic Bible here (with AugustusMasonicus' earlier picture in the background to show that it's real and not an internet image.)

What I wanted to show is that it is a regular King James Version, as can be seen on the spine. And as with all other REAL 'masonic bibles', mine starts on page 1, not page 33!

a reply to: Saurus

We should keep doing this and make it one of those mirror in mirror regressing-type images.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: dogstar23
If you don't believe that, then you shouldn't believe any of the other nonsense you believe about the Masons.

Exactly! What you just described is completely unbelievable. I would not be caught dead around your project car.

I should hope not...unless your tetanus shot is up-to-date.

a reply to: DeathSlayer
Freemasonry requires its members to believe in a Supreme Being, but doesn't define the specifics of one's faith. Some don't belong to a specific faith, but many do. I am a Christian and many in my Lodge are as well, but we also have a few Jews and Muslims. I've also met Brothers from a variety of faiths and religions.

Most Lodges within in the US are primarily Christian so they use the Holy Bible.

Our "practices and beliefs" are secret in that they are private (as privacy and secrecy are synonymous). Pike's writings are his own opinion, not established law or policy of all Freemasonry.

I've seen this video and its a waste of time to watch it.

It's not strange. 33 is an important number in Christianity.

Freemasonry isn't a Luciferian or religious sect.

originally posted by: KSigMason
Freemasonry isn't a Luciferian or religious sect.

You are not just high enough.