Saul of Tarsus: False prophet

originally posted by: Barzini
a reply to: JackReyes

The bible says 12 tribes.

Ephraim and Mannassah are HALF TRIBES. I am finished with you.

Ok. Show us where it states Ephraim is a half-tribe.

I have provided every scriptural proof, even explaining that while Manasseh was divided into two, one on one side of the Jordan river, and the other on the other side. 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 (two halves of Manasseh on each side of the Jordan, = 1 tribe of Manasseh. .

Show us where Scripture states Ephraim is a half tribe. And show us how what scripture states about the dividing of Manasseh into two half tribes on each side of the Jordan makes it only 1/2 tribe total in Israel.

Can you do that?

I've answered every challenge you have.

Give us some scripture now. I am sure you cannot.

Now remember, you are the one accusing us of twisting scripture. So provide your proof. Mine is written down here for all to see.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Kitana

You are confused at the very least I didn't say that he said only do that...
Nor did I say say you don't need God...
I said that by doing God's will by doing his will even if you didn't know him you actually believe in him,because he is love but also because by doing his will you would not be doing wrong against him....
You get that?
And if you kicked your husband out I know you would be going after all you could from him... Seeing as you don't have a job and all...
Get real...

No, actually I would not. I am not legally married to my husband. We have a covenant marriage, not a state sanctioned marriage - I couldn't go after him in a court of law at all.

But, I think most of you all are simply so confused. I don't see how even one person could read this thread and find God, it would be a miracle indeed, if anyone was saved after reading all this nonsense.

a reply to: JackReyes

Your the one who is confused. You said something stupid, and can't back it up.

Keep trying, Ill keep telling you, Israel had 12 sons, 12 tribes and nothing you do or say can prove otherwise.

If you want to look stupid, keep trying to prove Israel had 13 tribes. But if you can't produce scripture with the actual words "13 tribes of Israel" you lost. Be a man and deal with it.

a reply to: JackReyes

You asked me to show you where it says Manasseh was a half tribe?

Joshua 14:4 For the people of Joseph were two tribes, Manasseh and Ephraim

Chapter 17 in the NRSV Is titled

The other Half-Tribe of Manasseh

But the slam dunk is 13:29 it was alloted to the HALF-TRIBE MANASSEH

Any questions?

originally posted by: Barzini
a reply to: Kitana

First, you can't insult a book, you need emotions to be insulted. If people are insulted by my interpretation no one is forcing them to listen, least of all me. I made it clear in the headline what this thread was about.

Islam also believes Paul was a false prophet.

Gentile is a word meant to superiorize Jews, is meaningless to me, and a lot of people, feel free to disagree.

Salvation is not dependent on a belief. You will be judged for your thoughts, words and actions. Hindu, Buddhist and Parsee have as much chance of salvation as Jew, Christian and Muslim. Do you think God is unfair?

Sin entered this world from one, and so salvation came into this world through One. It is not a religious free for all to enter into heaven. There is a plan for salvation and people can either accept it or not, that is their own choice.

Jesus said, I am the Way the Truth and the Life, and NO ONE can come to the Father but through Me.

That is unequivocal. If I called myself God it would not make me God - it would make me a liar and an imposter, at best. The spirit you worship whom you call your god, is the antithesis of the God I worship, the spirit you worship wants to be worshiped as God, but this does not make it true.

You can say Oh no it's the same god, but it is not. I know this because of the Spirit of God in me. Read Hebrews 10:15-17. The Spirit testifies many things. Salvation is personal. You can accept His way, or you can listen to false spirits who call themselves god but are not.

What you choose is your choice to make.

My second post in this thread, disproved every argument about Paul not being called of God. You might like to read it, it is probably the only post in this thread you didn't reply to.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As for your religion, proof is in the pudding:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wish you well in your life.

a reply to: Kitana

Save it for someone who hasn't heard enough already to know it's b.s. Religion is a business, any truth in it is great but I don't need to be preached to about a subject I've studied since I was 16. I know the questions and the answers as good as you do.

originally posted by: JackReyes

originally posted by: Barzini
a reply to: JackReyes

The bible says 12 tribes.

Ephraim and Mannassah are HALF TRIBES. I am finished with you.

Ok. Show us where it states Ephraim is a half-tribe.

I have provided every scriptural proof, even explaining that while Manasseh was divided into two, one on one side of the Jordan river, and the other on the other side. 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 (two halves of Manasseh on each side of the Jordan, = 1 tribe of Manasseh. .

Show us where Scripture states Ephraim is a half tribe. .

Just so you don't back edit your question that I answered here it is. You got any thing to say now?

Joshua is the location, I provided reference numbers.

Now you gonna be a man and admit you were wrong?

originally posted by: Barzini
a reply to: Kitana

Save it for someone who hasn't heard enough already to know it's b.s. Religion is a business, any truth in it is great but I don't need to be preached to about a subject I've studied since I was 16. I know the questions and the answers as good as you do.

In the face of Truth, there is no answer. This is why you answer people whom the truth is not in.

As far as "religion" Jesus said:

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

My God is not the god of wealth. Worshiping in Spirit and in Truth is not a "business" nor did Jesus offer any business - He offered a plan for salvation to those who choose Him. That is it, and that is all.

I wish you well on your journey in life. Truly I do. Peace.

a reply to: Kitana


I hope you get a clue.

a reply to: Barzini

Hey everyone please look closely Barzini/Areyousirius/Gnosisisfaith/Dayslate/Willingly once again makes a claim without knowing the scriptures.

He claimed to be an Apostle, but Jesus did not recognize this

Now we nor he could ever prove Jesus did not recognize or recognize Paul as an Apostle. Because there is no verses. However like the 12 Jesus did call, he called Paul.

Ac 9:1 ¶ And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
10 ¶ And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Paul met Christ like the 12
Paul was called by Christ by the 12
Paul was baptised like the 12
Paul preached Christ

Seems Paul is more of an Apostle than Barzini. The calling of Paul is the token of his Apostleship even if we don't have scripture to show Jesus calling him an Apostle.

Buy Hey, Let's not forget we don't have scripture of Jesus calling any of them Apostles. So if we follow Barzini's logic none of the 12 were true apostles and liars because "Jesus never recognized any of them as apostles or called them Apostles. The Gospel books were written some time after his ascension.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I originally gave the wrong link, I fixed it to my answer. Just thought you should know.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

have fun everyone in your debate. I am leaving the thread. God bless.

a reply to: Kitana

Good thing God saves and threads don't then...

a reply to: 5StarOracle


What is it that drives your feeling of superiority to others and produced this image of self-righteousness your clinging to? I'm curious, is it the whole chosen ones thing and you think you're it, one of the chosen people?

That's my guess, but let me tell you what happens when people start thinking that they are chosen by God before the clock stops ticking. Your judgement will be long after the day you die and your death will happen before you are chosen, running around thinking that you are chosen before he has actually chosen you is going to backfire.

Imagine that, judged on your mind and not belief in a myth, where and who would you be then.

When you're motivated by the rewards of joining every action you make is selfish.

If God wants me to suffer in Gehenna, so do I.

a reply to: Barzini

Don't confuse your misconceptions of my beliefs with what I believe...
God will judge me along with everyone else...
But guess what else I know that you obviously don't. ..
God has chosen everybody...But not everybody chooses him...
Suck on that for awhile ...

a reply to: Barzini

I didn't buy the crap you are peddling about God...

Should I have said read that 10 times ask mommy to help you understand if you have to?

You ain't doing anybody any harm but yourself...

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Barzini

I didn't buy the crap you are peddling about God...

Should I have said read that 10 times ask mommy to help you understand if you have to?

You ain't doing anybody any harm but yourself...

Your not even a customer. I wouldn't want to associate with you anywhere at any time.

I have harmed no one, not even myself. I feel great. You are trying to get me to feel bad, but it's futile.

Your super villain "god" and his "Son" are laughable contradictions of character and you think they are both God.

And that they are only one God. Unless you're a polytheist.

a reply to: 5StarOracle


You are already sold, I know how this works.

I could debate logic with you all day if you really want to get down let me know.