Holy trinity dogma is polytheistic.

· Jesus was never shy about his inferiority to the Father, his God, who is also the God of christianity. He even prayed to God, something an equal God wouldn't be required to do, he could just answer his own prayers. Jesus is not omniscient and only has power that was bestowed upon him by the one true God.

Back to the trinity, an ancient Egyptian/Babylonian/Hindu concept. There have been many trinities since Nimrod/Semiramis/Tammuz, know in Egypt as Osiris/Isis/Horus. Why would a claimed monotheistic religion borrow pagan concepts that God historically despised and forbade us not to do?

Because the RCC is, was and always will be pagan.

Back to the 3 "equal" Gods. This is the foundation of trinitarians explanation that they are monotheists.

But Jesus admits to not being equal to the Father many times, so that's a fallacy. Three gods who are not equal is polytheism.

Thoughts?

originally posted by: Rasalghul
Thoughts?

I'm hungry.

I'm going to get some popcorn.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Rasalghul
Thoughts?

I'm hungry.

I'm going to get some popcorn.

You are an atheist, you can't help but get involved in any way possible

a reply to: Rasalghul

Polytheism was very widespread in early Christian times, and so was the worship of men (and women in some instances, thinking today's Serbia or Lithuania for instance).

In order to make Christianity less offensive to the people it governed, Rome has mixed and matched a little bit, which is easily comprehensible when one considers that men of faith would join what ever the official doctrine was, and taking with them their former education.
Still better than when they just crucified Jesus.

Orthodox Christianity (ever translate "orthodox into English?) doesn't profess trinity, does it?

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Rasalghul
Thoughts?

I'm hungry.

I'm going to get some popcorn.

You are an atheist, you can't help but get involved in any way possible

Wow! You got all that from me wanting popcorn? Your fairies and gnomes must have some special powers. Oh, I forgot, you call them god and angels.

Look at that TD, straight into it
Let me feign shock


Munch munch munch

One of the biggest clues is to look at which groups reject the Trinity and which do not.

The Trinity has become the main doctrine that all the cult groups attack.

Another confirmation that cults typically share the same beliefs...

Faith Groups that Reject the Trinity

• Muslims
• Mormons
• Jehovah's Witnesses
• Christian Science
• Scientology
• Arians
• Armstrongism
• Christadelphians
• The Way International
• Unification Church

"Another characteristic of all non‑Christian cults is either an inadequate view or outright denial of the Holy Trinity. The biblical doctrine of the Trinity, one God in three Persons, is usually attacked as being pagan or satanic in origin.

The Characteristics of Cults

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Look at that TD, straight into it
Let me feign shock

Munch munch munch

Better to denounce something that has no proof of existence apart from a book that was written some 150 YEARS after some fool did some magic tricks, than to follow it blindly in the hope you might get a fluffy cloud.

Oh, I forgot, again. You religious folk don't know how to treat people unless you're told how to by whatever rules your religion has. Most other, non religious, people would call those rules COMMON SENSE.

a reply to: Murgatroid

The biblical doctrine of the Trinity, one God in three Persons, is usually attacked as being pagan or satanic in origin.

Wow, that's new to me. Thanks. Which part of the Bible says three Persons?

originally posted by: Murgatroid
One of the biggest clues is to look at which groups reject the Trinity and which do not.

The Trinity has become the main doctrine that all the cult groups attack.

Another confirmation that cults typically share the same beliefs...

Faith Groups that Reject the Trinity

• Muslims
• Mormons
• Jehovah's Witnesses
• Christian Science
• Scientology
• Arians
• Armstrongism
• Christadelphians
• The Way International
• Unification Church

"Another characteristic of all non‑Christian cults is either an inadequate view or outright denial of the Holy Trinity. The biblical doctrine of the Trinity, one God in three Persons, is usually attacked as being pagan or satanic in origin.

The Characteristics of Cults

I am not sure I see your point?

The question is "Why would a claimed monotheistic religion borrow pagan concepts that God historically despised and forbade us not to do?"

I am not trying to be an ass, I just cannot see what clue that gives us?

Mmmmm popcorn, please continue TerrY Don

Why do Trinitarians stop at just one Holy Spirit, when the Bible clearly states there are seven Spirits of God? With that thinking, you have Father + Son + 7 Spirits = a nine-part Godhead. Yet, the Bible states that God is One. Figure it out.

That's because you limit yourself into thinking that God must be like a man who obviously cannot divide himself into smaller parts or be vast enough that you can experience part of him.

At least when the Muslims get offended on this subject it is because they believe that Allah simply would not allow part of Himself to be born in the person of a man, not that he couldn't if he didn't want to. Allah is simply stingy with his glorious, divine self.

God is a being who is not human, not comprehensible in human terms. If He wants to have part of Himself be born in human guise, He will still be both God and be Son. If He wants to touch your soul with His presence in the explanation of the Holy Spirit which is much, much lesser part than what Christ was, then He will.

Are you implying God could not do this if He so chose?

That ought to offend Muslims too.

originally posted by: wisvol
a reply to: Rasalghul

Polytheism was very widespread in early Christian times, and so was the worship of men (and women in some instances, thinking today's Serbia or Lithuania for instance).

In order to make Christianity less offensive to the people it governed, Rome has mixed and matched a little bit, which is easily comprehensible when one considers that men of faith would join what ever the official doctrine was, and taking with them their former education.
Still better than when they just crucified Jesus.

Orthodox Christianity (ever translate "orthodox into English?) doesn't profess trinity, does it?

I don't believe so, no. It's silly to have three gods and call yourself a monotheist. Last time I checked mono meant one, tri as in trinity means 3. Christians are not monotheistic, but they claim to be.

Mainstream chistianity makes no sense at all. Do the 3 unite like Voltron ( 80's cartoon)?

originally posted by: ketsuko
That's because you limit yourself into thinking that God must be like a man who obviously cannot divide himself into smaller parts or be vast enough that you can experience part of him.

At least when the Muslims get offended on this subject it is because they believe that Allah simply would not allow part of Himself to be born in the person of a man, not that he couldn't if he didn't want to. Allah is simply stingy with his glorious, divine self.

God is a being who is not human, not comprehensible in human terms. If He wants to have part of Himself be born in human guise, He will still be both God and be Son. If He wants to touch your soul with His presence in the explanation of the Holy Spirit which is much, much lesser part than what Christ was, then He will.

Are you implying God could not do this if He so chose?

That ought to offend Muslims too.

Are you trying to offend Muslims? Islam is a great religion. None of what you say makes sense. God divided himself up and sent a portion of himself to earth but Jesus is still a separate less powerful being.

Still polytheism, sorry.

a reply to: ketsuko


I find your reasoning unconvincing and a little silly, to put it politely. 3=3. The 3 have seperate attributes and are not equal. That's polytheism by definition.

Better to denounce something that has no proof of existence apart from a book that was written some 150 YEARS after some fool did some magic tricks, than to follow it blindly in the hope you might get a fluffy cloud.

Oh, I forgot, again. You religious folk don't know how to treat people unless you're told how to by whatever rules your religion has. Most other, non religious, people would call those rules COMMON SENSE.


TerryDon- Greetings and Happy St. Valentine's Day.

I get the whole questioning something that You haven't seen anything tangible that could be construed as "proof" heck I tagged/bagged enough evidence over the years to fill 3 big lockers but I had to address the part "some 150 years after some fool did some magic tricks...." so calling Jesus a fool really isn't warranted, especially after You Yourself noted that it wasn't until 150 years later that the book was written. To be honest You'd have to take into account the numerous re-writes and don't forget the other one "In the beginning was Adamu and Lilith, created from the same dirt..." So the time it took "The Quorum" to get rid of Lilith who was EQUAL and replace Her with EVE who was sub-servient so at least 150 years but probably way more but that isn't My point..

Siddartha Guatama, Shiva, Moses, Mohammed, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Jesus, Yoda they weren't doing any religion™ they were doing their own thing and it was someone after them that created the busine$$ of religion™ so to be fair it really isn't Jesus' fault..

Who let the dogma out who who?

namaste

a reply to: wisvol

Fathet, Son, Holy Spirit. That's 3 persons/separate deities.

a reply to: Rasalghul

No, I am explaining yet another point of division between Christianity and Islam. They have the same point of contention. However, they do not argue that Allah could not invest a part of himself into a human if he chose to. They only claim that he never would do so as it is beneath him. Similarly, they believe that he would never allow humans to ever touch the divine as we are that far beneath him which explains away the holy spirit concept.

Allah in Islam is a much more remote and unapproachable deity than the Christian idea of God who can be personally knowable and experienced.

What should offend Muslims is your contention that Allah could not do those things if he didn't want to. For Allah, all things are possible even if he would never do them. Simply put, you are placing limits on him with your flawed human understanding.

originally posted by: Rasalghul
a reply to: ketsuko


I find your reasoning unconvincing and a little silly, to put it politely. 3=3. The 3 have seperate attributes and are not equal. That's polytheism by definition.

Well, of course you do, because you you are still thinking that just because part exists in the person of a human, it must be separated from the whole. Nowhere does it say that. You simply are making that assumption out of your own understanding.

When God spoke to Moses out of the burning bush, do you likewise think that God crammed his entire being into that poor bush?