Jesus isn't God, doesn't claim to be God and doesn't want to be worshipped.

a reply to: 2012newstart

You can purchase a facsimile copy of the dead seas scrolls if you want.

But you will need to understand Essene Hebrew which is not traditional classical Hebrew. That is why there is not a universal publication of the Dead Sea Scrolls Essene Hebrew is a dead language. Though many agree that they are exactly as found in the Authorized Version.

You have some Good points

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Isurrender73

No,the father is not the son and the son is not the father but they were one God.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 John 5 New International Version (NIV)

6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the (a) Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.

a- 1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century)

The three are the Spirit, the Water and the Blood.

He is the Holy Spirit, he is the virgin birth, and he is the blood sacrafice. These three testify that Jesus Christ is the Son of God predicted in the texts that preceded him.

a reply to: Isurrender73

yeah but again that is in opposition to the preserved word of God. I will by faith take the preserved word over any new translation of men.

Either you believe God preserved his word as he promised or you don't. I believe the preserved word is accurate and all others are false.

MO

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Copy of the 30% no more. Some are uploaded on internet, that's how I know Melchisedek is to come before the Judgment Day, along with Enoch and Elijah.

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In the last post I mentioned Bob Dean speaking of pope Pius 12 to be informed by cardinal McIntyre of the meeting Eisenhower-aliens, and here is the video (because I cannot edit one post endlessly to present more proof). It is in the beginning. At the end however there is a surprise for everyone who wants to know more, about Jesus Christ, but I will not report it now. Notice both Bob Dean and Clifford Stone have worked with above top secret materials and met those "beings of the universe", as pope Francis called them. May be not reported in this interview alone. Yes you need to take some extra time to know the basics that is currently spread on internet. 232,276 viewers is good but not good enough. I ultimately think of that number below every important video, how closely nears the number of 144,000. Are those people who really care? Of course there are those in Africa and Asia who don't have technical ability to watch youtube. But certainly not all those 200,000 people believe it either. Just saying.



The silence of the Catholic church is more of a confirmation than of a denial. Of course these insiders' credibility is something constantly objected by many online. But do they find a more credible source when they do that? It is easy to say Sitchin didn't translate by himself and Von Daniken didn't ...whatever. But they did, and those who criticize them - did not. Even scientists. 2000 Catholic bishops did not echo words of pope of baptizing "Martians" but surely they think of Ezekiel 1 too. Where is the public side of the preaching of the Gospel, if we are to repeat centuries old logical constructions, good for their time but irrelevant now? The public mission of many of the churches have exhausted itself. And it runs into armageddonic expectations in the mega churches instead. We need a new reread of the Bible. Including all texts that were not originally included, or were found recently. Including the Dead Sea Scrolls, 100% of them. Better their keepers publish them without any delay. But you know, perhaps those scrolls contain inconvenient truth that their keepers (Israeli) still hold as last resort of influence of the world opinion in first place the Christian.

Having the book of Genesis unproven and based on sagas, written 2000+ years after the Flood, and having instead the solid research of the scientists above and others, human bones found in the last 25,000 years, we have to conclude something wrong is in the basics of that belief system. Not the faith itself of God and angels, but the texts are apparently lacking historic evidence. How could the different human races evolve from one only saved person and his 3 sons after the flood? When we know of Indonesians and American Indians to inhabit those territories tens of thousands of years or more? It doesn't match. Genesis is a good saga, but not a dogma. Once that has been defined, we should search for other explanations, both for the original sin and the creation of Adam and Eve, and the following events including the Great Flood. Is it possible extraterrestrial war between different factions to have brought it? How about artifacts found on Mars and other places in the solar system? How about the asteroid belt that by all calculations should have been a planet there, but destroyed? How about Sumer texts that speak about that, too? Indian texts that speak of flying Vimana that does not correspond to today's understanding of aerodynamics but followed other principles? Why Vimana were there thousands years ago, and never were produced later by humanity? The examples could go on and on, and they are already given before the wide auditory of Ancient Aliens and other films and books. The lack of proper response by Churches does not prove how correct they are and how deluded (or demonic) the above examples are. It speaks of the churches have reached their capacity based on centuries old logic good for its time but irrelevant today. It means they have to do the sharp turn, not the people who have the right who made them (God without hands?) why they suffer all their lives (original sin - apple fruit or what?) and where is the outcome of all that. The outcome is apparently the most important thing, because what profit to know all of that and to be incapable to react to what is coming next. The idea of widespread demonization is the worst approach and it ultimately denies the salvation of the human race. Jesus may not come tomorrow, if He didn't come for 1980 years. And where he dwells those years on a cloud? How about a planet of God's kingdom, palace and throne located there. Couldn't he visit other planets meanwhile? Not according to OUR doctrine that envisions US as the only recipients of the goodness of a Creator that we say we believe He created the heavens and the earth with all stars on it. Quite narrow minded view, that other ancient peoples in the same eras had it larger than that.

Masolino de Panicale 1383 - 1440 "Foundation of Santa Maria Maggiore Basilica" with explicit disc shaped flying objects

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It is a time for the common Christians to say: Enough of lies and sagas, tell us the truth the way it is, no matter how odd it sounds for the established tradition and because of the so established status quo. Once it has to happen, for the sake of the truth and for the sake of Jesus Christ who is the truth, better in our lifetime, not after another 300-400 years.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Isurrender73

yeah but again that is in opposition to the preserved word of God. I will by faith take the preserved word over any new translation of men.

Either you believe God preserved his word as he promised or you don't. I believe the preserved word is accurate and all others are false.

MO

Yes all of the pre14th century greek manuscripts have been preserved so we can see clearly where the Catholic translators embellished in the Latin Vulgate and which embellishments found there way into the King James Version. God is not a liar his word is/was preserved so we can eliminate discrepancies.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Isurrender73

yeah but again that is in opposition to the preserved word of God. I will by faith take the preserved word over any new translation of men.

Either you believe God preserved his word as he promised or you don't. I believe the preserved word is accurate and all others are false.

MO

What's the "preserved word of God"? Are you saying only the kjv, a flawed translation, is better than the modern bible's that use the DSS OT texts alongside the Greek AND Masoretic texts? Because that is ridiculous. The NRSV is a million times better than the kjv, and more honest to the ancient texts because of DSS ( the oldest old testament in existence - Esther) use in translation.
The kjv is garbage, no wonder you don't know $hit.

a reply to: 2012newstart



This, this and all of this.

We have a right to answers. We have been fed a fabricated Bible and are told to follow it word for word... for what? A creation of man? A manipulation by man? I think the Bible holds value, don't get me wrong. But people often forget a few things

1) Who it was written for - The Illiterate masses.
2) Who it was written by - Man

Religion is man made... And It's all smoke and mirrors. It's all it's ever been. It's a blind faith and religion (as we know it) has actually paid a HUGE disservice to it's followers and everyone else.

That's not to say it's roots are grounded in reality. I just wish we were told the whole truth.

I'm a man of faith. I was raised a Catholic and still identify as one today. But I think it's become much of a personal thing. How can it be anything but? Anything outside of your own personal experience is subject to manipulation.

Faith over Religion. Always.

a reply to: MrConspiracy


I agree, but add one thing:

Knowledge over faith over religion.

Essenes were Jews and Jews believe Melchizedeck is Shem. Paulines, who Essenes hated/hate believe Melchizedeck is Christ.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Isurrender73

No,the father is not the son and the son is not the father but they were one God.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 John 5 New International Version (NIV)

6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the (a) Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.

a- 1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century)

The three are the Spirit, the Water and the Blood.

He is the Holy Spirit, he is the virgin birth, and he is the blood sacrafice. These three testify that Jesus Christ is the Son of God predicted in the texts that preceded him.

3 things being 1, like a team, doesn't make the 3 equal. Christ tells us of his inferiority, and prays to and has a, God. Does God pray to Jesus? Jesus to himself? No. Not equal, not God.

a reply to: Rasalghul

You're right. And this would be in line with the pope declaring that God isn't magician and that Jesus was not a spirit but a mere man. Seems to go against what Christians believe and I found it interesting that the Pope would declare those ideals. Nice post.

The Father himself calls Jesus God.

Hebrews 1:8-12 KJV
But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. [10] And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: [11] They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; [12] And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

a reply to: LoveNeverFails

no... no he doesn't...

Not even close actually...

Hebrews is Pseudo Paulian... Meaning we're not even sure if Paul wrote it...

And it certainly wasn't written by God

8 pages in and nobody has been able to show anything refuting the 3 facts I made this thread on. I'm a happy man.

a reply to: Rasalghul

I think you need faith to seek the knowledge. But I'm with you.

a reply to: MrConspiracy
Agreed.

Hypostatic Union...

a reply to: MrConspiracy

thank you, I hope we receive some answers soon, if not all of them. Unfortunately, my private calculation of time and sequence (more important) that I will not publish online anytime soon, makes me to believe the nukes are scheduled first before any intervention from above to occur. So is the real life after the Flood. So chooses man, not God,

And those small gods responsible that Daniken talks about, they will be punished in the process. One passage from Daniel about the antichrist, said he would exalt himself up to the hosts because of their sins. Does it mean initial space victory of the antichrist against a weaker but good ET group (not perfect though)? One can wonder on such interpretations and whether or not they are to happen in our time.

I know I contradict myself may times. Before worrying about the antichrist conquering small ET groups, we should be worrying of New York being nuked by terrorists. Or another major US city as DC, or Rome in Europe. They already posted their targets that are no secret for anyone after 9/11and ISIS. If that happens, many will see in that the harlot being destroyed by the rising beast and his 10 horns. Will it be the real case though, or just its mirror image? America is not the mother of all harlots on earth, other cities older could qualify better.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Where do you get from the bible that there is going to be the antichrist? I have never seen that prophecy.