The meme that might sway my vote towards Bernie Sanders

Came across this on our most beloved social media site. Just kidding... But check it out...



So what do you think? Does that help you get a better perspective on what Bernie has been talking about?

Anyway, cool meme.

Do you also believe Jesus will answer your prayers if you "like" and "share" ?

He created the middle class in the same way that Gore "created" the internet and I wasn't aware that elderly poverty had ended.

Don't be so easily swayed by smoke and mirrors.

any civil society requires some social programs (redistribution of the wealth) in order to survive. this was true back before FDRs days and is exceptionally true now with corporate power consolidating all the money and markets into a few pockets.

To what extent can be debated and some trial/error will occur.

There is no alternative. people demanding the end of social programs are living in some sort of 1840s dream where the field is level and anyone can make a good living without any help regardless of being well connected or starting off well to begin with.

Sanders doesn't scare me at all, I actually am leaning towards him over anyone, but I know he will not be effective at all. both D and R will block anything he tries just to make sure nothing is accomplished.

If he doesn't get the nomination, I am sitting out of this election cycle..I simply dont care. no candidate up is worth anything...if anything, Donald Trump might actually shake things up enough to at least get the country discussing ways forward (potentially by working together to stop Trump, who knows..but whatever..dont care.)

I dislike Sanders because he pushes the whole wage gap myth and other social experiments by regressives...either he is just pandering to the low information voters, or is truly clueless on how full of crap they are...either way, doesn't fill me with confidence..but other than that..he seems ok...honest at least.

a reply to: abe froman

Maybe your right...

I just finished researching the new deal... Apparently that's the first instance of quantative easing and the first major devaluation of our currency, and on what assets?

That's what I'm curious about.

a reply to: SaturnFX

I was with you until you said wage gap myth.

And you know what I'm afraid of?

Someone stepping into the arena that suddenly takes power and no one saw it coming because America is ready for change...

It's just like pre war Germany and the Weimar Republic.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: SaturnFX

I was with you until you said wage gap myth.

the wage gap based on sexism is a myth, its been debunked repeatedly by peer reviewed sources 5 times now. it comes down to different choices women make.
the argument is women make 77 cents on the dollar to men...
cool..yes, nurses make less than surgeons, teachers make less than accountants, etc. women can get whatever career they want, they overwhelmingly gravitate to social services and other emotional interactive fields..men tend to focus on stem fields..that pays more, its also far more stress, so its give and take.

I can link many neutral sources, put up graphs that site other sources, or you can google yourself (check sources), but no matter what, you always will arrive to the same result..wag gap is a myth based on sex preferences.

Now, you can debate why these preferences exist. some say nature, some say nurture, but thats beside the point.

a reply to: SaturnFX

What? ive heard about this wage gap nonsense before but I had serious questions about authenticity...

What's it's source?

I could care less about that topic I care about seeing the bottom and top Cone closer together to circulate more money in the community.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: SaturnFX

What? ive heard about this wage gap nonsense before but I had serious questions about authenticity...

What's it's source?

not sure what you are asking
what is the source of people pushing the myth that women get 77 cents on the dollar?...hell, Obama did that one, every politician pandering to dumbasses mention it when feminist come up and ask about it. if they go into detail about how its been researched that its just mostly a choice of work, hours worked, overtime put in, credentials, etc..they start demanding the person is sexist, facts are sexist, everything is sexist.

If you are asking on the other hand when Bernie started saying this:
Bernie's actual webpage
another Sanders website (with a different number. heh

and if you are asking for the source that debunks the gap..tell me what flavor you want, scientific, conservative or (even) liberal sources all saying the same?

a reply to: SaturnFX

Oh god Bernie is pro this crap?

Yeah I'm voting for Trump thanks for the info.

a reply to: onequestion

I'm with you.

I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, time to go all in.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: SaturnFX

Oh god Bernie is pro this crap?

Yeah I'm voting for Trump thanks for the info.

Actually Obama may have done something fantastic in regards to this.
He is passing a requirement for businesses of 100+ employees to show wages alongside other info already being sent in, this will then be run through a comparison and any company that is actually giving significant favorable increases in wages to men over women will get lawsuits, but its also all gonna finally be officially reported.

This is a good thing, because then it will be a simple hard fact, no more mythos of how corporations are secretly paying women less (and still for some reason hiring mostly men). the factors will be black and white as to differences in wages.

and for the places that are practicing this wage gap stuff (who knows..there may be some islamic businesses out there after all), they will be rightfully hammered..but yeah, Obama got this right..even though a lot of conservatives yelled..mostly for thinking he was pandering (when in reality it is a silver bullet).

a reply to: SaturnFX

So essentially he's taking control of what companies pay their employees?

Shouldn't we keep the federal government out of that and let the market determine that or is that minimum wage?

What do we really want?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: SaturnFX

So essentially he's taking control of what companies pay their employees?

Shouldn't we keep the federal government out of that and let the market determine that or is that minimum wage?

What do we really want?

no, just putting it on record so people cant suggest there is (or isnt) a wage gap...it removes the question and shows the actual facts..which whenever researched by organizations finds almost no unaccounted for gap of significance.

I think Obama did it first off to pander to the feminists demanding something be done, but also the genius is to actually shut them up once the results clearly show no issue...this will crumble a huge part of 3rd wave western feminism as that is really their only grievience (outside of rape culture nonsense which only the daft actually take at face value when the internet is accessable by everyone).

its otherwise anonymous outside of just age, salary, sex....no dictation of salary, just if there is something that goes against the 1963 wage laws..that can/will be prosecuted..as it always could be anyhow.

a reply to: SaturnFX

Hmmm so I'm curious...

Does this path of accountability end with total control?

Where do we draw the lawn, when do we stop allowing the government to control the market?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: SaturnFX

So essentially he's taking control of what companies pay their employees?

Nope, simply making it a matter of public record. This is a good thing, as information is empowering to the public.

Shouldn't we keep the federal government out of that and let the market determine that or is that minimum wage?

"The market" is a fancy way of saying "the guy who cuts my paycheck." Tell me. do you really think you can count on your boss to give an accurate estimation of your labor's value? Maybe you're in a small business, and you and your boss are great buddies. Okay, but say you work, I dunno, at a Wal-Mart. Do you trust that corporate - the entity that makes the decisions - is going to value your labor fairly? What happens to you if you dispute that fairness in either case?

The reason there is a federal minimum wage is because history has thoroughly shows us that no, "the market" cannot be trusted to set the value of labor. Left to itself, the market trends towards crap like scrip and debt slavery, not healthy living wages.

a reply to: TheTengriist

Ok so where do we draw the line with that?

a reply to: onequestion

With what, with the federal minimum wage? Given that the federal minimum has always been lower than the wages needed to maintain cost of living in most locales (unless you like trailer parks and off-brand chef boyardee) I'd say hte line is already drawn, and it's not in the favor of the people making said wages.

a reply to: TheTengriist

Didn't the minimum wage start out as a living wage? Roosevelt did say it was meant to be a living wage, here I'll quote...

“No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.” (1

a reply to: onequestion

The initial minimum wage was $0.25 / hour. This was equivalent to a $4.56 wage in 2015 dollars in regard to buying power. Remember, Roosevelt had to muscle through Congress, which at the time was certainly not the New Deal-favoring bulwark that it was by the time he took a fourth term.

a reply to: onequestion

If you're basing your choice for president on a meme, you probably deserve the president you get.