Judge Gives Man 5 Days for Child Porn, Rails Against Harsh Sentences

originally posted by: Balans

originally posted by: Guenter

originally posted by: Balans
a reply to: Guenter

I see where you're coming from, but this is not one of those cases where you should be standing up for the freedom to look. He had the freedom to look at them, but we as a society also have the freedom to lock this man up for looking at child porn.

I can't believe you're denying an entire # up industry. I live in Belgium, we've had our fair share of pedophile disasters over here, hell I even protested along with a couple hundreds of thousands of us back in the day when the Dutroux trial was going awry. Denying that it exists does more harm to the cause then anything else. It truly boggles the mind that you're denying the existence of these networks.

Like a poster before me has stated, it is only because there are people out there that look at these things that there is a supply. Take away the viewers as much as possible as to reduce demand would be one of the basic things to do to combat this despicable, hideous behaviour.

No mercy for the pedos, ever !

So with your logic we then should lock up all the drug USERS to stop the drug industry?

And NO the CP Industry does NOT exist! IF it did exist it would be a PR dream for all the LEA and other moralists to parade us the riches and wealth of these "producers" before the cameras.

Where do you get the audacity to compare child porn to drug use...

And wow, try telling that to all the parents who've lost their children to this industry. Do some soulsearching and internet browsing, it's not hard to find evidence of their existence...

LIST me the names of the so called CP-LORDS that can be compared in "ranking" to the likes of Pablo Escobar or Guzman. IF they would exist, then the MSM would be showing us this day and night on "special reports". They can't because they do not exist! And for an alleged 11-15 Billion$ "industry" it is a bit strange that no one can finger us a true "CP-Lord". Even such entities as the Mafia stay away from this "alleged lucrative industry".
This holds also true for the "alleged Cannibal farms" in which people are supposedly raised for "meat" and so forth. No proof what so ever!

We can be arrested/charged for possessing illegal substances. Doesn't matter if we personally manufactured the substance, stole it or purchased it. If it's illegal and found in our possession, we're going to jail. If you're found in possession of stolen goods, whether you knew they were stolen or not, you can be charged with a crime. "Ignorance of law excuses no one."

Imo this POS was in possession of stolen childhoods. If he paid for child porn, he's an investor. Just because he's not physically filming/raping children he supports the industry. Johns/pimps support prostitution and that's considered a crime. A person offering another person money in exchange for sex can be arrested before any physical contact is made. Pedos possessing child porn should not get a free pass because they're just looking. I would argue there's a huge difference in possessing and looking.

He knew he was in possession of an illegal substance and needs to pay for his crime like anyone else. This judge chose to ignore the law and imo he needs to answer for it. Can a judge ignore heroin possession, let a person walk without backlash?

Don't agree, we're all free to start a campaign to change the law. It takes lots of time, work and rallying of like minded people. That's how we changed the MJ laws here in CO. Rallying people in support of pedos has a snowball's chance in hell but if it suits you, knock yourself out.

a reply to: ReadLeader

Wow...all I can think of is the Judge is part some paedo ring himself!

This is the problem I have with psychiatry taking over the Judicial system. A psychiatrist is a laymen with a degree in pseudoscience

a reply to: Morningglory

Morning, great analogy and I agree w/you 150%

Thanks for posting

Why don't we as people citizens arrest all these sick %$#@'s? Can't we do that? Can't we actually have a rally where we march to arrest these criminals running everything?

originally posted by: Guenter

originally posted by: Balans

originally posted by: Guenter

originally posted by: Balans
a reply to: Guenter

I see where you're coming from, but this is not one of those cases where you should be standing up for the freedom to look. He had the freedom to look at them, but we as a society also have the freedom to lock this man up for looking at child porn.

I can't believe you're denying an entire # up industry. I live in Belgium, we've had our fair share of pedophile disasters over here, hell I even protested along with a couple hundreds of thousands of us back in the day when the Dutroux trial was going awry. Denying that it exists does more harm to the cause then anything else. It truly boggles the mind that you're denying the existence of these networks.

Like a poster before me has stated, it is only because there are people out there that look at these things that there is a supply. Take away the viewers as much as possible as to reduce demand would be one of the basic things to do to combat this despicable, hideous behaviour.

No mercy for the pedos, ever !

So with your logic we then should lock up all the drug USERS to stop the drug industry?

And NO the CP Industry does NOT exist! IF it did exist it would be a PR dream for all the LEA and other moralists to parade us the riches and wealth of these "producers" before the cameras.

Where do you get the audacity to compare child porn to drug use...

And wow, try telling that to all the parents who've lost their children to this industry. Do some soulsearching and internet browsing, it's not hard to find evidence of their existence...

LIST me the names of the so called CP-LORDS that can be compared in "ranking" to the likes of Pablo Escobar or Guzman. IF they would exist, then the MSM would be showing us this day and night on "special reports". They can't because they do not exist!

Highly doubtfull, a lot of political effort is put forth in concealing the people linked to these networks. Jimmy Saville comes to mind, to name one.

And for an alleged 11-15 Billion$ "industry" it is a bit strange that no one can finger us a true "CP-Lord". Even such entities as the Mafia stay away from this "alleged lucrative industry".

Compare those numbers to the global illegal drug trade. I'll help you out: Drug Statistics - Worldometers.
Does that 15 Billion $ number really seem high enough to you for there to be CP-Lords that would not mind being profiled and propagandised in popular culture (something which ofcourse could never be done in today's world)?

This holds also true for the "alleged Cannibal farms" in which people are supposedly raised for "meat" and so forth. No proof what so ever!

I have no knowledge of this so I will refrain from adressing it.


You're still comparing apples and oranges. Riddle me this, who would have to be most afraid of other inmates in jail, a drug-trafficker or a known CP-lover ?

I suggest the judge be ordered to serve the remaining 20 years of a sentence befitting someone who keeps the industry of child rape alive and well.

a reply to: ReadLeader

I thought it was something like 5 years imprisonment for each one owned, each download time, etc. Is it possible he is cooperating in being a witness to finding the sources? That is the only reason I can think of.


Otherwise, he knew better. If it 'pops up' close it. Don't click download. if a malware program caused an auto download, delete and virus scan. He was also found to be chatting with young girls online, even if he hasn't done anything to a child, personally, he is an accident waiting too happen.

Child porn apologists... now I really have heard it all.


Un-friggin-believable.

Somebody stop the planet and let me off, please... I think I now understand why so many people are willingly signing up for that one-way trip to Mars in the hopes of colonizing on a new planet.

Live or die, it's worth the risk to get the hell out of this place.

originally posted by: awareness10
And anyone who know's their Science, knows that simply 'Viewing' anything has a Scientific Effect on it. Atoms Protons Electrons, Hello? Everything we Think and Feel and Touch has An Effect on everything else.

I have seen some pretty weird videos. I stopped '2 girls 1 cup' about halfway through, I was concerned for what it would do to my mind.
I have watched some pretty bad independent horror, but knew it was all fake.

As for pron, and yes, women watch some, lol..if the preview still shot even looks like they may be under 18 or the title infers it I will not click on it even on a major, common website. I wouldn't want to even risk what it may do to my mind.

The man in question is 53 years old, he must have gone looking in some pretty weird places and pronhub wasn't one of them.

originally posted by: Guenter

originally posted by: TNMockingbird
a reply to: Guenter

With all due respect,
Did you read the link?

for possessing two dozen photos and videos — some showing men sexually assaulting girls as young as 3 years old, according to court papers.

Why, just asking, would someone choose to look at photos of 3 YEAR OLD CHILDREN being RAPED?

He is a convicted sex offender!

It is no ones business what one chooses to LOOK at. There are many people who delight in LOOKING at the beheading photos and videos of Saudi Arabia. It is not a question of morality, it is a question of FREEDOM to look!

It is exactly this: "But is is for the Children" arguments that enabled TBTB to make "snooping" in our online activities possible. So tomorrow someone finds the secret "free energy" blueprints of Tesla and post's them and now you will be arrested for LOOKING at them because TBTB don't want you to find out how to get off the grid.

You guys focus on the KIDS, and not at the principle right to LOOK! And that is exactly the trap TPTB set you and you run willingly into! But it's for the Children!

It is the business of the victimized child. It is the business of the victimized child's parents.

Would you be okay with somebody looking at a photo of your toddler being raped?

I will hold back as to what else I want to say.

originally posted by: Guenter

originally posted by: TNMockingbird
a reply to: Guenter

I'm trying to understand, and I do, to a degree BUT...

If we "allow" this type of behavior who is going to protect the children's freedom?
This is an honest question!

Their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is being infringed upon by nature of supply and demand.
Crimes ARE being committed. You can't deny that honestly.

I understand "they are pictures" BUT understand that he has committed a crime of a sexual nature in the past and I believe by his consumption of child porn, today, that it is walking a dangerous tightrope to re-offending.
I believe,
No, I can't prove it.

AND, YES, it IS for the children.

If he has committed an actual sexual assault on a child before or not, I do not know or can tell. The fact is that it is about PICTURES and nothing else! As long as he did not PRODUCE the images himself, - in which case the "porn" issue would not be an issue but the "sexual assault" would be a much graver concern for the courts.
WHO produces these pictures and where is not my concern. My concern is the incarceration of people for LOOKING.
It comes down pretty similar with the marijuana laws; locking people up for a few joints.
A picture can be seen as evidence to a crime. So then identify the persons committing the act on that picture, not the person LOOKING at the same.
Why do people DL the images from Saudi Arabia's executions for example is an enigma for me. But people do so. Does this mean they are now going to copy cat SA in their back yards? I have over 200 books on Nazi's and many old original "manuals" of that period. Does this make me a Nazi?
The PRODUCTION of Child Porn is a crime. But what this case is about is the "crime of LOOKING". And if people cannot see the difference between the very same than I am worried not about the guys LOOKING but about the mases condemning him. Because such a "Mob" is a bit more dangerous than a guy "LOOKING" at some CP.

It is actually against the law to posess child pornography or to download it. If one comes across it accidentally they best click off it and/or report the website. I know I would report it. This guy didn't just look on the internet by accident, he placed the images into his own computer. That is NORMALLY Federal time in prison. It is possession of something so abhorrent that is criminal to possess it even in computer image form. If you don't see that, you , personally have a problem.

I can look at an image of a drug. I can decorate my computer wallpaper with weed if I want. This is not the SAME thing.

originally posted by: Guenter

originally posted by: Balans

originally posted by: Guenter

originally posted by: Balans
a reply to: Guenter

I see where you're coming from, but this is not one of those cases where you should be standing up for the freedom to look. He had the freedom to look at them, but we as a society also have the freedom to lock this man up for looking at child porn.

I can't believe you're denying an entire # up industry. I live in Belgium, we've had our fair share of pedophile disasters over here, hell I even protested along with a couple hundreds of thousands of us back in the day when the Dutroux trial was going awry. Denying that it exists does more harm to the cause then anything else. It truly boggles the mind that you're denying the existence of these networks.

Like a poster before me has stated, it is only because there are people out there that look at these things that there is a supply. Take away the viewers as much as possible as to reduce demand would be one of the basic things to do to combat this despicable, hideous behaviour.

No mercy for the pedos, ever !

So with your logic we then should lock up all the drug USERS to stop the drug industry?

And NO the CP Industry does NOT exist! IF it did exist it would be a PR dream for all the LEA and other moralists to parade us the riches and wealth of these "producers" before the cameras.

Where do you get the audacity to compare child porn to drug use...

And wow, try telling that to all the parents who've lost their children to this industry. Do some soulsearching and internet browsing, it's not hard to find evidence of their existence...

LIST me the names of the so called CP-LORDS that can be compared in "ranking" to the likes of Pablo Escobar or Guzman. IF they would exist, then the MSM would be showing us this day and night on "special reports". They can't because they do not exist! And for an alleged 11-15 Billion$ "industry" it is a bit strange that no one can finger us a true "CP-Lord". Even such entities as the Mafia stay away from this "alleged lucrative industry".
This holds also true for the "alleged Cannibal farms" in which people are supposedly raised for "meat" and so forth. No proof what so ever!

www.praguepost.com...

usnews.nbcnews.com... (Maksym Shynkarenko)

ewn.co.za...

www.telegram.com... (George Shipps)

www.irishcentral.com... (Eric Eoin Marques)

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: TNMockingbird

Only a Pedo would try to demean a child. I'm sick of this world, it's getting worse by the day. Now we have protect children from Adults who think it's normal to do this EVIL sh*t. If one more person stands up for this type of behaviour being 'ok' or 'PC' i'm going to turn to dark magic and cast an evil spell on them, maybe one that magically castrates a'holes....

I too am so very sick of this world and it's insanity! I can't imagine in my wildest dreams anyone sticking up for a pedophile! Even someone who just looks at such pictures is obviously a sicko and should not have kids or be around them. That judge should be fired immediately! There is no justifying even looking at such pictures! None!

Sickening. Just sick... This irks me, while citizens who possessed relatively safe drugs are spending time incarcerated. Little Jimmy who had a gram of MDMA or OZ of weed is locked away and life ruined. Don't even get me started on the Crusades against prescription drugs which are growing.

I guess drug abusers are the scum of the earth huh? Even though for most, they don't hurt a fly. Justice.

No real surprises here, Jack Weinstien has a history...

Source
According to a May 2010 New York Times article, Weinstein entered the national debate regarding child pornography laws by issuing a "series of rulings that directly attack the mandatory five-year prison sentence faced by defendants charged with receiving child pornography."[8]

So sick. So sick. What the judge was thinking about ? Everyone who distributes or watch or God Forbid create that kind of material deserves minimum 10 years.

a reply to: MonaMonina sick world with a sick judge! This mf deserves not less then 20 years!

a reply to: ReadLeader

They should both be locked up for life.
How disgusting.
I'm beginning to believe a little in some of these alternate reality theories. Especially since we seem to live in backwards world now. Seriously? Let's cut the pedos a break?

originally posted by: Guenter


He was looking at PICTURES! When are you people finally realize that it was the very so called "Child-Porn" scare that had all run and cry for help for better "Online Policing"! And yet the same people who complain against Government snooping still want to see a guy in jail for PICTURES! This is the disgusting part of you! Either you want FREEDOM or you want none, but you can't just "chose" what pictures are OK to look at and what are not and need "policing".

I find it hard to believe that there are people actually starring your posts.

He should at the very least been charged for 'aiding and abetting'

It removes all doubt that one who puts in motion or assists in the illegal enterprise
or causes the commission of an indispensable element of the offence, by an innocent
agent or instrumentality is guilty as a principle even though he intentionally
refrained from the direct act.

Whosoever shall aid abet counsel or procure the commission of any indictable offence
shall be liable to be tried, indicted and punished as a principal offender

en.wikipedia.org...

For every photo or video viewed there is a *VICTIM* at the end of it.