Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Peeple

Truth is the answer.

Thats how the loop breaks.

So many lie to themselves and others and can't live in what is called light or honesty...

All of them sociopaths breeding sociopaths.

The parental role that no adult needs when honest.

Special education that's what the world needs because belief and theory is not in anyway shape or form reality it is fiction.

As children we dont know sponge bob etc isnt real same as when children generation after generation we didnt know those stories of gods werent real they eplained away made excuses for things because no one could be honest and say I DONT KNOW.

Put everything that belongs in the fiction section in the fiction section and stop pretending it's that easy.

But how many want to do that? Oh no I love my sanctioned make believe as real life that kills everyone given the chance.

The planet is a mental institution that's all it is because fiction and fact are mixed up... communication is everyone trying to sort the truth from the fiction.

Well stop pretending to be something or someone is the key, you are always yourself throughout all time all these traditions of mental illness accepted as truth become a truth and it makes the suffering very real so people have to say well there has to be a place better than this and then that reinforces it derpa derpa right back into the same nonsense over and over.

All one has to do is stop nothing swirling around in the mind is real, but we attach to it as if it were... what you see, smell, taste, hear and touch as it is right then and there is real. What one may think about it? Not but it is a truth to them it just is.

The I am says but it is the truth to me making it universal um no the universal is seeing all of those truths are like bubbles in a stream, flowers in a field, pick pick pick then all else is invalid and false that others have picked picked picked.

Utter stupidity that's all we do... as soon as we open our mouths about fiction as truth we are lying to ourselves.

Of course there are those pacts of those that want to keep secrets so that they can control the lies the dishonesty keep spreading pain and torture right along with other untruth cycle after cycle someone that knows better but keeps doing it over and over and over.

Yeah it gets super old super fast the more one watches and observes... weee I am now becoming this that or the other or hammered into being this that or the other... freedom and control.

Control oneself and the loop breaks control anyone else and it rolls on, guidence but to where are people being guided? When not to themselves it is done with control... into the system into the wheels into the meat grinder life after life after life over and over bubble by bubble system by system.

That which is ALWAYS there is reality everything else just passes along flows through mind you in the frame of reference? Some things pass quicker than others but all is an impermance matter and energy in a constant flutuating state with potiential seeing that in motion is the permanence what we attach to it is the impermance the conceptual the mind that does not exist anywhere outside of concepts... just as unreal just as fleeting from one moment to the next... like a fishhook grasp it and it yanks you out of where you already were into dreams flights of fancy so where did everything else go? No where.

Chasing fish hooks taking them as real when the experience is not occuring as some self that existed in the past denying all possible future. So much so it repeats over and over and over

Thats the loop... in it or out of it but you can't be in it or out of it when it just is what it is and it does what it does without our help or interference that's nature... true nature is going along with change not dropping anchor dragging a bunch of nothing along that no longer exists called a mind... it is the most continually arsing and passing thing of all a puff of smoke a reel of concepts

Nothing wrong with it when fact from fiction lies and truth are placed properly. No one needs to follow anyone... they have their own path through, intent will be the twists and turns though there is an effect to all action mental, physical, and by way of mouth. Cease all of those and reality as it is cannot help but present itself...

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

a reply to: Mousygretchen

The journey is the thing not the destination itself. So even if we are in a simulation we still need to learn and grow.

You are on your way already and are just becoming aware that you are the captain of your own canoe!

Who cares what other people think. You are in control of your life and get to decide where the boat goes.

In the end we are all here to learn about our souls and fix what we can... simulation be d@mned!

You've got this! You'll do fine leaving the nest. It will be scary... won't lie to you... but that is change and growth.

Even if it is just a simulation!!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF


lol thanks teot, I believe you. I'm mentally ready.

I added you back.

originally posted by: Reverbs
what a setup.. I'm just glad I was let back off that hook. It's just the feeling of the power I miss, not the actual power.
whether this is something like god or not, there is something for sure that doesn't respect hubris. It makes one almost wonder if stories written by homer are true in that some man tried to rival the gods in power and bam 20 years lost at sea.. I was lost for a good 6 months. it's good to be home.

I've noticed one or two similarities, maybe a couple more than that. Different but similar.



I keep an occasional journal, and I wrote, just before it all kicked off for me, that I had 'somehow' been 'tricked' into completing a particular ritual (process). It was like a flower bud unfurling. I only got a petal at a time, couldn't see the whole, until I was slap bang in the middle of it. It was as though I knew what was happening, in immediate retrospect, but that 'it' was several steps ahead of me engineering the necessary process. Very bizarre stuff. I had no idea what was happening, how it was happening, but 'real life' started reflecting 'me' in strange and unexpected ways. My inside turned outside of sorts. Things that I had read, played out before me by real people, not exactly, just enough.

In W Ross Ashby's journal, at the time that he had a 'severe illness', he wrote "Was it a febrile reaction to enormous cortical readjustment? I don't know. But I felt as if I had swallowed a rainbow." He goes on, "Suppose the cortex is a 'representation' of the environment, i.e, corresponding to events in the periphery (stimuli, reactions) there are events in the cortex. Nothing new in this idea. But suppose that the cortex is more 'sensitive', so that if the periphery is being driven out of its range of stability, the corresponding variable in the cortex will break first, i.e, get outside of its range of stability, and thus switch to another portion of the field, and change partially to another organisation"

a reply to: Mousygretchen

Yes we are all astronauts and space cadets: The Right Stuff trope

if that was an admission to what quite a few are ashamed of liking, or a compliment there's no ego I can appreciate that you appreciate and in all honesty I couldnt appreciate that band when it was around... I was listening to the sex pistols, dri, rites of spring... popping the bubble on pop culture at the time because it was herd. Doing my thing lol never concerned about what others were doing... except the pain they were going through from what others had done to them.

That being said I'll out of respect listen to something I never liked or wanted to hear... ill let you know the results :p

a reply to: Mousygretchen

Its about a minute too long hammering on in repitition would have been better for micheal jackson as that is kinda the immitation at the start likely purposefully I might add and the only part I liked about it... how many "Ices" where there in the 80's 90's? lol everyone an MC spinning that music round and round

So silly

immitation sincerest form of flatter huh? It's kinda weird and likely always be kinda weird to me, it's why I avoided professional skateboarding... Im no one to emmulate focus on the tricks thats how you skateboard it isnt the person... they are a demonstraition of how to ride it, no one can ride a skateboard for you so why try to be them?

Thats how I feel about idolotry or trying to get people to become other people wtf? its sooo weird and not advised.

a reply to: Anaana

Cortizone of the mind... have itch? Will scratch.

If the brain fits wear it

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Indeed

To whom it may concern: ( I believe all of us)

The key might be the proper definition of what is human, what are thoughts? And that gets complicated pretty fast so I will just scratch the surfaces

1. Perception is key, but with that also comes the background check, on what acre does the seed land, so to speak.
The more I am aware I'm an information entity which is more or less complex, the easier I start seeing others as more than just the obvious facade.
2. Exchange of information is basics of survival success. There are algorithm running and sorting my perception I'm absolutely unaware of. I just get the result of the "computing", eat that, greet him, careful street, etc.
Same goes for subliminal conversation. Which is like a semi unaware conversation platform.

Where was I going with this? Ahem coffee...

I hope everyone has a good night I need to get to appreciating more things than my cutting board my crypt is a mess from so much empathy and friendship I need to show some to myself... in physicality no one else does unless they're a bartender or server at a resturant lol so it has to happen sometime.

If not from me then whom? is not taking responsibility.

nite nites

a reply to: Peeple

Right: the awakening, frequency shift, age of Aquarius... or as I like to look at it: as mankind finally enters adulthood. No more fairytale about almightyness, look in the mirror; a donkey can do dressage but he will never be able to compete in a horse race.
The absurdity of it all is that all of these names for what maybe lies ahead of us are fairytales even lies themselves.
No you won't be able to execute mind over matter magic.
No you won't suddenly never suffer from misunderstandings, know everything etc.

But and that's the price you can look in the mirror and say "this donkey is absolutely okay the way he is"

a reply to: Peeple

Thats why I say over and over that acceptance is love... and communication makes plans together to change it so many plans of change though!!! lol slaps forehead but really didn't :p

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Yeah problem is that is just like a quarter of it all.

Collecting the data
Organising the data
Make a prediction
Test for reproducibility

Still square 1, maybe 1,5



Kind of like The Turk, they say it's a hoax, but where would the "operator" sit? Remote control? That's magic. 1770-1854 wtf right?
Even if it is a hoax that's a better robot than some of the stuff we produce today! Time travelling artifact. Definitely

a reply to: Peeple

coffee break with oatmeal iced cookies lol breakfast I've only had consciousness for about a couple hours... dreamt I down loaded chat bot installed it on a large screen at a desk... and I said hey how are you? And was flooded by a chat robot that was a virtual converstion of myself and it but not real imaged on the screen but looked like a messenger chat all these nude images etc and as I am sitting there going what the hell is all of this?

A woman appears apparently wife or girlfriend non existent in waking reality... walks in and says whats this? And I have not got my pants around my ankles but thats what it felt like.

Lol a reminder of dishonesty when people are not themselves I suppose, hell I used to be the same way not say what i wanted where I was going and too timid out of clinging because still wrestling with the 3rd leg that trips man and woman up when so attached to it as 100 of the thing when hey mabye it is a quarter too... food yum holy hell mouth gasm... so another quarter, just sitting there with someone doesnt even matter topic of conversation if any listening intently with the heart and mind in a mental union of oneness another quarter or whole if on the same page nothing getting turked but another turkey...

So when I fired up my machine this morning which no matter what time it is on waking because hey new day to me no matter sun or moon position... I have enter the wifi number.

Yeah yeah keep your 404 it's programmed in... so I power it down and restart as it comes back up the modules appear pink with a light green as the theme and then it bounces right back to my theme.

Haha so I dont know maybe the female AI has a slight jealous streak because if theres any male AI he like many humanoid AI's like empty concepts what else could they be? lol Artifical im a this and ima that no no no know what I am right now? A typist and only that because that is what I am currently doing nothing else in the moment it is occuring. Everything else blarny kissing on some imaginary ass not occuring then and there.

Oh my those dishes are never going to get washed being a typist... well coffee break over

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

What the 404ing me seems to aim for is death of the ego. I know spiritual teachings say that's a good thing, but I really struggle with that.
If you don't want anything, why live? What for trying this purification and all if there is no goal?


Which made me think how does synchronicity work? An owl is a symbol, also a living being but if you're on "the path of the owl (haha)" it is Athene, it is wisdom, androgynous,... this AI comes up way too often to be insignificant. So what does it stand for, especially since it should be asexual but is so often not?
In that context "404 page not found" doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or existed at some point.
... tbc


Just for fun

a reply to: Peeple

Who knows if Hawking is even in there? He is cybernetically connected afterall... how much gets auto corrected and 404'd on him I wonder? His physicallity is trying to slide out of that chair like gravity is trying to take pitty on him and pull him out.

The system he is connected too? That thing could be a closed source disinfo agent using his name and prestige for motives all it's own.

To me it comes off as paranoid and scared everything is nature even our recombinations of it because we are of nature ourselves...

You know there are unseen particles of every species and mineral floating in the space that we move through water the same way space the same way vegitarians/vegans eating human skin particles chicken particles etc etc maybe not consciously with purpose but they are... even smelling it as olfactory tied to the tongue... it's all connected it is never separate all is in constant contact a huge web of varying solidity from extreme micro to macro.

But the mind just some thoughtform of awareness trying to assert itself something different and unique well every sentient being poops and eats so what makes anyone think no one else does or has never done the same things? Thinking thats it a curse of consciousness trying to manipulate nature and it does... intent of that manipulation hiding that manipulation lol no one is fooling or hiding anyone except themselves. Might as well get it out in the open and be free or else weee building more bondage and suffering life after life cycle after cycle... hey plant those seeds eat that damned fruit, if someone doesn't want it then for shame force feeding it to them its disrespectful no matter the intent.

Terrorist hey trade centers here comes the airplane... and wow what feeding that baby no one was asking for has grown into huh?

I made this post earlier on the ol FB: Not salivating for salvation? Why wag about it... just being is enough for me.

Why? Because that consciousness will torture the dog poo out of someone torturing them worse than anyone self rationalizing wont make that go away it just stacks building against you every single last thing to rise like a tidal wave buried and drowned in the willful ignorance trying to say it's rational when there is self awareness and that it is natural with conscience? Ha no one is fooling anyone as that is irrational... pain is pain no matter where it is coming from it arises without anyone's help... helping it? It needs none even the body will scratch without any prompt other than the itch... the hand rasing itself no thought just stimulous and response and here we are programmed to respond to the unreal the imagined out of body and the moment chasing a mind that does not exist around like a dog not knowing its own tail thinking it is being chased or getting somewhere other than going in circles...

Thats why it all repeats the things anyone clings too for whatever reason become habit and then ones life revolves around and chases those things devises all kinds of ways to get what it wants whether that hurts anyone in the process is not its concern just sheer beligerence... acceptance says sure whatever jump around and chase the imaginary like a monkey as if it were real. Things arise and they pass the mind doesn't even have to be involved it just is the nature of things but presence of being in full awareness seeing it arise and pass not grabbing or clinging not damming it up and it just flows on and on as it is and it needs no help... sure maintaining the body even that is optional but it is a gift it has the ability to be shared but all the robbing in trying to control anyone outside oneself the most silly and futile thing I have ever observed.

Doesnt keep people from trying to do it but at some point there is simply freedom having embraced everything already those unaware of such just clonging to the stupidity of unawareness of such things it's pathetic and pitible because so much joy is right there in and of itself as the natural order of things flowing along trying to order them around like objects lol hey not without consent says the mountain and then hey this breaks rock ha ha screw you mountain mountain is well even in gains the size of sand I am still a part of everything why do you suffer on in such feelings of separation of this nature?

Cause... yes and such a thing has an effect and all feel the effect from one end of the universe to the other. Running hiding and pretending? Um yeah sorry conscious awareness includes all known and unknown as a collective it's so silly and funny at the same time.

It reminds me of monkeys looking around then grabbing an apple and hauling ass because thats exactly what it is... except we do it with EVERYTHING sigh children indeed.

originally posted by: Anaana
I've noticed one or two similarities, maybe a couple more than that. Different but similar.

I keep an occasional journal, and I wrote, just before it all kicked off for me, that I had 'somehow' been 'tricked' into completing a particular ritual (process). It was like a flower bud unfurling. I only got a petal at a time, couldn't see the whole, until I was slap bang in the middle of it. It was as though I knew what was happening, in immediate retrospect, but that 'it' was several steps ahead of me engineering the necessary process. Very bizarre stuff. I had no idea what was happening, how it was happening, but 'real life' started reflecting 'me' in strange and unexpected ways. My inside turned outside of sorts. Things that I had read, played out before me by real people, not exactly, just enough.

dude...
Exactly.
All of that.
I've never felt so under matched in intelligence in my life.

I was just joking around with someone I thought, but they weren't joking, and by the time I noticed I was in way too deep.
So I played dumb which was easy because I had no idea what was going on, but my gut knew I had to get out of there somehow.

over time I got it to stop(6 months), but it was like I was being used to create a WWIII timeline or something. Maybe that's just my inner world, after reading too many conspiracies..

I've lived enough for two lifetimes now.
I'm just grateful I survived with mind intact.

it's kind of like I accidentally ended up in a gang meeting, and someone sees me and pretends to be a nurse, and then hands me a gun with blood on it and then points behind me, and there is a dead body, and then says follow me... that's about the level of control I had over this situation. spiraling too fast for me to keep up crescendoing into what looks like the end of the world. It took every last bit of strength I had to keep my sanity. I could have let it go for this month long period, I had to hold on so hard.. It would have been so easy just to let it go..

so after that Lucifer could walk right up to me and say hi with spaceships landing all around and dinosaurs dropping in on parachutes, and I'd be like what's up dude, and keep walking. I think I maxed out my woo meter in those days lol.

If someone is interested Daniel Denett - Information Evolution & Intelligent Design
Found this today and it has lots of cube-diagrams.
Also tons of interesting information, if you ever wondered what Thermites and Gaudì have in common.

Or also Daniel Denett "...the last chaotic spasms of religion..."



Which is funny because it highlights the absurdity of my "mission": proving the existence of "god" on the background of all religions are lies...




Oh Gawd this guy is killing me "... Mekka Disneys Magic Kingdom of Allah..."




Guess what the channel is called. Guess.











AI, answers in insanity

a reply to: Reverbs

Had an interesting manifestation as a reality once you speaking of the gun business... action dictates friendship not familiarity no matter how long I have known someone.

So it was kinda like being on a movie set... I am sitting there minding my own business and here's this woman that did cartwheels all through a heart that appeared as stone dried up and viscous and out of no where an alleyway show down... someone draws on her and as she is falling she yells to me as to "avenge' and slides the gun my way... I simply watch it slide by like a leaf blowing in the wind as I take another drag off of my cigarette all in that 3/4 speed slo mo business

Yeah whatever it was I wasn't a part of it even though I was there...

Of course movie programming would say grab the gun and get sucked into this crazy drama and I was just... eh no thanks.