Why are the biblical lists of the 12 tribes of Israel so different from each other?

a reply to: kumiho

I know it's got nothing to do with Satan.

a reply to: Gnosisisfaith
Maybe its got something to do with the pineal gland/reptilian brain that we all have. We do have reptilian ancestry, even my dr said that is a common opinion in science.

a reply to: Gnosisisfaith

nope, if the Church wants everyone to know they will reveal it, otherwise its up to you. I just a humble servant. Sorry,
im like Dobby the house elf..



The pineal gland is something that regulates the seratonin and melatonin levels in your body using the cycles of the day, its a sensitive gland..

We all have a reptilian brain which keeps us alive..Dobby

a reply to: kumiho

So basically you don't know, and for some strange reason want meto be mmystified by theosophical gibberish. Cool pictures though.

a reply to: Gnosisisfaith

We all played the same game for over 10.000 years, i have a hunch it wont stop anywhere soon.. Enjoy the illusion instead of understanding the truth.. It will just break your dreams

a reply to: kumiho

If you have knowledge of a grand illusion and don't tell everyone your spineless. Secrets are repugnant(JFK) and have no place in a free and open society. Dissenters are silenced. That's a President who had balls and honor and tried to expose what you claim to know. If you really did know something of that magnitude you'd be dead or very important. If you keep such knowledge to yourself is WORSE than lying, worse than murder. Your cryptic words of nonsense betray any chance of you knowing anything. Now I am embarrassedbbecause you wasted my time.

a reply to: Gnosisisfaith

He believed in humanity, i dont

JFK was a good man, he believed that every man had a good heart, he was an idealist...

Or maybe im a reptilian? Every generation needs a few who moves this world in the right direction until humanity prevails over humans.. Hopefully this is the last century when humans roams the earth...

a reply to: kumiho

More nonsensical ramblings. If you don't believe in humanity, you have no reason to consider JFKs character.

a reply to: Gnosisisfaith

I believe in what we can observe in nature

this discussion is interesting but disguises what is Israel today. Its 90 percent white people from the Khazar area next to the Caucasus mountains..source of the term Caucasian. Also known as Ashkenazim.

Because the list in revelation is speaking of a sort of "spiritual" Israel. Romans 2:29 also speaks of Gentiles and others whom form this new group. Fundamentalists would have you believe everything written in the bible was literal. But the opening except in revelation explains this prophecy is given in signs and portents. a reply to: Sigismundus

a reply to: darkstar57


The Parsi was the original 144.000 fulfilling the prophecy but their number declined and so did their "pure aryan doctrines" the Zoarastrian parsi community lost their religious leaders and their fate.. But the most important aspect is that a bloodborn Levite has emerged, after fivehundred years of suppression and is not a khazar.. One of the most key elements is that they changed the image of Jesus to its original form, before the selfie of Cesare Borgia in the 15th century portraying Jesus and he was a Khazar..
But if one reaches the status of a High priest, im kinda sure, he left humanity long ago..

originally posted by: kumiho
I believe in what we can observe in nature

This reminds me of a quote from an animated film I watched a few days ago called "The Little Prince":

originally posted by: kumiho

According to two children who have seen him personally, he looks like this:



One of them, Colton Burpo said that of all the renditions of Jesus, the only one that looked like the guy he saw in Heaven was the one painted by Akiane.

Read the book "Heaven is for Real" A little boy went to heaven during surgery. They kept showing him pictures asking if that's what Jesus looked like till it was so many they just started asking what was wrong with it. He looked at the painting where Jesus is looking strait at you and he said "Nothings wrong with that. That's the one!" Source

originally posted by: Sigismundus
Why are the biblical lists of the 12 tribes of Israel so different from each other?
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What gives?

About Debora. I don't know about Meroz, BDB lists it as a place in N. Palestine, but apparently, Makir is the eldest son of Manasse, who is the eldest son of Joseph, meaning Makir covers for Manasse (and Joseph) since he is a firstborn in the line of Joseph, the other part of Joseph's tribe being Ephraim. There seems to be some sort of consensus the song of Deborah reflects a tradition far older than the Torah. Supposedly the language in use in the song of Deborah is older than anything in the Bible.

originally posted by: Sigismundus
Why are the biblical lists of the 12 tribes of Israel so different from each other?

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What gives?

Jacob (who later became named Israel) had 12 sons(and one daughter) by 2 wives and two of his wifes handmaidens.This is the birth oder:
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However they are not the same as the 12 patriarchs(fathers) who were the heirs of Jacob (Israel) “were” called the nation of Israel.They were represented by the 12 stones attached to the breast plate worn by Aaron when he entered the Holy of Holies in the Sinai wilderness tabernacle.That is one reason why there is more than one “list” of the 12 sons. Technically it is drawn from 14 people..the 12 sons plus Josephs 2 sons .The final count and hierarchy was determined by the time of the exodus from Egypt.It was exemplified by the arrangement of the tents in the wilderness encampment(for 40 years).

For instance Levi was the 3rd born son yet is not an hier.They were the priests in the Israelites religious rituals.Joseph was the 11th son however he gave his birthright to his 2 sons(born of an Egyptian mother) Manasseh and Ephraim.That means Levi and Joseph were not heirs and Manasseh and Ephraim were by replacement making 12 patriarch heirs/tribes of the Nation of Israel.On an important side note right before Jacob(Israel) died he gave the 1st born birthright(which was Reuben’s) to Ephraim,( Josephs youngest son).Now the nation of Israel and it’s 12 son/patriarch/heirs is:

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The gross misconception of the nation of Israel is they were a special “chosen” nation of people when in fact the Pentateuch is evident they were not.The purpose of the scriptures was to document what kind of people the Israelites(and later the Jews) were and preserve their names(nature and character).The bottom line is the nation of Israel “were” the archetype of all of mankind..hence ALL of mankind are called the “chosen people” of the creator God.Israel means “struggles with Elohim(God’s) which is exactly what ALL of mankind has done.This sonship has NOTHING to do with genetics and the extreme elitism propagated by the Jewish and Christian religions.

This nonsense about some “tribes” being more evil(sinful) than the others is religious rhetoric speculation because they were ALL screwed up.The fact is what eventually became the Southern Kingdom of Judah(The Jews) were awaiting a conquering waring Hamashiach(the anointed one) to conquer or destroy their enemies and to deliver them to a kingdom where they ruled the world.Fortunately that Jewish mashiach never came (nor ever will) however a mashiach did come in the name of Yahoshua which means Yahweh delivers.However they murdered him and then some religious people made up a religion about him(Christianity) that John the disciples called antichrist(in place of the mashiach/anointing).Yahoshua warned the disciples of what was to come when he said:

“Do not be deceived.For MANY will come in my name and “say” they are christ[anointed] and deceive many.”

The fact is the old and new testament are testimonies that testify of Yahoshua(the deliverance from religion).That is the scriptures sole empirical purpose.It is is not a book to be followed like a manual to live a good life by following a religion!.Anyone emulating the Israelites or the Jews to live a good life will be doing quite the opposite.The literalism that the religious have applied to these documents have caused far more harm than good.Thousands to millions of people have been ruthlessly slaughtered in the “name” of their God.A multitude of people were treated like 2nd class citzens by the religious elitist(and still are)

The upside it has compelled a multitude of people to act more moral and ethical than they are.However this fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil religion is only a bandaid on cancer.It cannot cure anything and eventually is the death of the person.

The scriptures narrative is essentially a synapses of all of mankind as the nation of Israel whom ”struggle with God’s”..either directly or through those that believe in God’s.The flipside is the disciples.They were the chosen few that it was “given” to KNOW the mystery of the kingdom of their heavens(their mind) and had their religion “crucified”.It is not a coincidence that the disciple that betrayed Yahoshua was named Judah which has been deviously altered by the religious elitist to Judas.

The bottom of the bottom line is life in the material realm is ALL about names which succinctly means the nature and character of the thing or person named.That is the sum of all things that can be observed.Unfortunately mankinds observational skills through their perception is fatally flawed.The perceive EVERYTHING through their flawed observation of their Belief System religion which is the metaphorical curse of Cain(gotten one) the 1st born son of Adam(which means mankind).

a reply to: Rex282

Bollocks! All the twelve sons of Israel were heirs. Levi was a heir to what Jesus refers to as the Kingdom of God, while Joseph received Levi's secular inheritance in addition to his own, so that both his sons Manasse and Ephraim received a full inheritance. Each. «The Hebrew Patriarchs» is a list starting with God, then Adam, then Cain, then Hanok, then Irad and so on. Sons of Seth have no firstborns, since Seth was his brother's Abel's keeper and Enosh is counted as the firstborn of Abel, therefore Enosh's brothers were the humans. There are no sons of God among the humans at this time. When we refer to Noah as a Sethite, this is not entirely true. He is an Abelite. Enosh was the son of Abel.

However Lemek, the line of the sons of God (the patriarchs) took two wives, the first one Adah (means complete, crown or adorn and take away) and had Jabal (means stream, flood) and Zillah (means shadow, shelter) and had Jubal (means the same as Jabal, Stream, Flood). Tubalcain also a son of Zillah means Spearhead (Cain means spear, Tubal means to lead, conduct) and is related to a word for yielding from the ground (mining?). I mean, with names like these who wouldn't start building arks and pyramids or sturdy towers or flee up the mountainside? Lemek is anagram for Angel (Melek). Adam was the Son of God, and Cain, his firstborn were also a son of God.

Anyway, there are prophesied two ends of the flood hidden within the names here. One in the shadow of a shelter (Great Pyramid). And one being taken away on top of it (Noah's Ark).

It's probably because the Bible that we have received has been chopped up, mistranslated, and edited to the nth degree. If any books have been omitted, it is not the whole story or the truth.