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originally posted by: EA006
a reply to: spygeek
So none then?
Can you go get the newsletter and read my horoscope for Taurus? I'd like to see what it says.
I'd also like you to know when we're a few more days into this i'll type out the list of coincidences i've experienced in the last week, we can dissect them.
originally posted by: b14warrior
a reply to: crowdedskies
I myself have learned the ability to hover a few feet above the ground un-aided.
I'm just waiting till I can move around in the air a bit before showing the world my powers
originally posted by: spygeek
"I enjoy a good laugh at someone's expense as much as the next fellow,"
Well now that's not very shocking!
"Perhaps we should start a thread cataloging members' claims of supernatural and physical law-breaking abilites?
We could rank them in order of plausibility and level of evidence, investigate the claimed mechanisms behind them, and take the mickey out of those who refuse to show any level of validation or explanation whatsoever.."
'Cause that's what nice people do, right? Hey let's talk about all of these people behind their backs, and make fun of what they are saying on this message board. (Or would it be a requirement for them to read all of your negativity, so that it wouldn't be behind their backs? That sounds fair.:duh You aren't going to be happy until everyone thinks just like you, are you?
"So far we have had claims of supernatural personal abilities, an unsupported claim of quantum consciousness, the proposal of a pseudoscientific theory of everything to support metaphysical claims, and a great deal of such fallacious logic as "I am completely right until you prove me wrong", "You don't have the level of understanding/awareness that I do, so your arguments are invalid", and "You disagree with my point of view? Well then you must know everything, right?"."
Ok, so dumb this down for stupid little me. (It's ok, I called myself the name.) Are any of these listed above referring to me? Just wondering if you're talking behind my back here, without me being smart enough to even know it. (That's your cue to laugh!)
If you are wanting to see proof of my Steve Vai synchronicity. I can take a picture of the hat that we found, with Steve Vai's autograph on it. But you probably wouldn't believe it is actually his autograph from the signature, as it is a woven hat, that was probably pretty challenging for him to sign.
Boy, good thing I have video of Steve Vai walking up to the fence where we were standing to sign autographs. But being that my daughter is young, I had to stop the video while he actually signed the hat, so that I could hand it to him and get it back from him. So you would have to take a huge leap of faith on that part. I bet you would be willing to do that right?
I also have video of the Domino's pizza bag with the 2 Hawaiian pizzas in our hotel room, that I took before the driver arrived to pick up the bag from us. But you could easily say that I asked the driver to borrow the bag for a minute, so that I could make my fake video of that.
I also have video of my daughter with the butterfly hanging out on her hand for an extended period of time, on our hike up to Hanging Lake. But then I would have to figure out how to convert the video from my cell phone to a format that actually plays on my computer. (I've tried downloading the videos to my computer, but in the format that they are in it's bearly worth watching, very jumpy. But as I said, I haven't had the time to do that yet.) I also have pictures of hanging lake, but you could say that I found those online, or they were taken at another time. But how convincing would that be really anyways?
Are you getting my point here? How many hoops would these posters have to jump through here, just to try and prove what they are saying? Then after going through all of that effort, just for YOU. How much of it would you actually believe anyways? Even then you would say that it would be more surprising if it didn't happen on synchronicities, right? Do you understand that most people are going to say. Why am I jumping through all of these hoops, just so that I can prove all of this to spygeek? What makes you so special that anyone is even required to, or even want to do that, or else you will belittle them if they don't? What if they don't read your post? Sometimes I wonder if people even hear what they are saying?
TS
The logical or rational value of any given thought or concept is measured by its logical consistency. If a logical flaw or contradiction is found, the logic supporting the concept is not reasonable or rational. A logical fallacy is committed when sound logic is not adhered to and errors in reasoning slip in
originally posted by: Cuculkan
a reply to: spygeek
The logical or rational value of any given thought or concept is measured by its logical consistency. If a logical flaw or contradiction is found, the logic supporting the concept is not reasonable or rational. A logical fallacy is committed when sound logic is not adhered to and errors in reasoning slip in
This idea is anything but logical.
first you can't measure logical consistency you are contradicting yourself If it is not logical then it is called illogical
There is no local consistency like you said, either it is logical or illogical.
Logical truth
Logical truth is one of the most fundamental concepts in logic, and there are different theories on its nature.
and by the way illogical also meaning randomness
so if I resume a concept a theorie or an idea comes from logic it also as illogical in it
a good example look at quantum mechanics, if you know a little about it most of it's composition is anything but logical regarding Einstein laws of space and time.
There are many things around us, that cannot be measured or quantified, that our brains fails to grasp, only bits of it
that is why I propose you to think a little out of the box, and open your mind, minds are much more powerful than you think, that is why I think your arguments are truely a logical falacie.
have a good one.
originally posted by: TomSawyer
a reply to: spygeek
My feathers aren't ruffled, and my response to your post above was not an attempt to ruffle yours. After our PM's, I think I understand your personality a lot better. I was just trying to mirror it a bit for you. So it's all good on this end. Just my sorry attempt at friendly banter I guess.
BUT when you said this:
"So far we have had claims of supernatural personal abilities, an unsupported claim of quantum consciousness, the proposal of a pseudoscientific theory of everything to support metaphysical claims, and a great deal of such fallacious logic as "I am completely right until you prove me wrong", "You don't have the level of understanding/awareness that I do, so your arguments are invalid", and "You disagree with my point of view? Well then you must know everything, right?"."
It was so open ended as to who exactly you were talking about, and the words way to big and complicated for me to understand/follow. So I just wanted to see if I was included in there somehow, and if I was. Express how my proof wouldn't make much of a difference anyways, even though I do have some.
I'm also trying to distract myself from life at the moment. Everyone needs a break every once in a while right? But I've been reading/following this thread, believe it or not, because it was about synchronicities. So I wanted to see if I could learn something. Maybe someone would phrase something in a different way, that I would be able to relate to and understand.
I don't know why your personality is so different when you post to this board, as opposed to how you were speaking to me in our PM's? But dude. If you spoke to everyone on this board the way you were speaking with me in PM's. I can guarantee you that it would facilitate much more conversation, and wouldn't put people off to where they don't want to speak with you. Not trying to tell you what to do, it's just an observation. (When you speak on the board, sometimes I think you come across as abrasive, to the point of not wanting to communicate with you. But Via PM's was completely different, and I had no problem with it at all.) Just know, that when I am responding to you it is not personal, unless you make it that way in the future for some reason. But some of what I said was actually tongue in cheek as well, and I do enjoy FRIENDLY banter.
Peace,
TS
originally posted by: Rapha
When you see a code, think to yourself saying that 'You want to get similar codes in dreams as well'
If all goes well and the numbers are genuine, you will get more codes in dreams. When this happens, monitor the environment and persons that give you the dream codes. They can give quite useful information concerning your immanent future.
This strict dualism philosophy has serious problems regarding how consciousness is able to affect physical reality and where and how the interaction between material and immaterial takes place. There is nothing in the videos or his books in the way of explanation of these problems; they are ignored. There has to be a mechanism involved, none is ever offered.
Similarly, a simulation hypothesis is unfalsifiable in that it is impossible to determine that reality is a simulation from inside the simulation. Again this issue is sidestepped and the blunt assertion that reality is simulated is enforced without logic or justifiable cause. The question of what is outside the simulation is also ignored.
This is false. The current understanding is that it is likely that quantum fluctuations produced the big bang, or prior to the universe two other universes may have collided to produce the big bang.
Physical science is not concerned with the reason or why of existence, and conflating such philosophical questions to the realm of material science is illogical.
I've already read the books. Not a single prediction is made. Nor are there any in any of the videos I have seen on the theory.
My comment might have been petty, but it's still true. He is directly profiting from the uninformed public through lying about his product. It is not a theory of everything, it is not even a scientific theory, yet this is exactly what he claims, deliberately misleading people into shelling out for it.
Scientific theories aren't a commodity to be bought and sold like a self-help book. Science does not work that way. Pseudoscience however, works exactly that way.
Obviously I do not know everything. I do however know enough to be able to confidently identify fake science and flawed logic when I see it.
You still suggest that the universe has a vested interest in you and your life to the point of influencing the events around you to lead you.
But you ignore everybody else with this suggestion, apparently starving third world citizens and ruthless dictators fall outside of the universe's jurisdiction
What exactly is the level of the universe's intervention and how exactly can an intervention be defined?
What makes you so special that the universe itself will go out of it's way to provide you with a specific choice of path?
A choice you might not even take anyway, rendering the whole thing pointless to begin with
Logical fallacies. Confirmation bias. Magical thinking. Correlation implying causation. Arguments from ignorance. Special pleading. Argmentum ex culo. Slothful induction. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. The list goes on..
originally posted by: TomSawyer
a reply to: spygeek
Hi spygeek,
I just had to point this out, so that you can make sure it's included in your results with your experiment. So you were listening to The Wall? Here's the lyrics to the chorus of said song. In light of our last conversation I found this interesting myself, what say you spygeek, does it count too?
We don't need no education (the posters response on this thread, to the teacher of/on the thread)
We dont need no thought control (same as above)
No dark sarcasm in the classroom (I don't think I need to comment on this, but thread=classrom)
Teachers leave them kids alone (play nice?)
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone! (you said that you talk on threads like you do in your classes)
All in all it's just another brick in the wall. (How what you are saying is perceived by the believers)
All in all you're just another brick in the wall. (same as above)
Did you enjoy the joke I PMed?
TomSawyer
originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: spygeek
ok? like i said ive seen and experiences things that the current model either ignores or mocks. i dgaf what you think about campbell.
have done research. what makes you think i havent? do i have to see things through your point of view to technicaly have done research.
i do understand it in my own way.
This strict dualism philosophy has serious problems regarding how consciousness is able to affect physical reality and where and how the interaction between material and immaterial takes place. There is nothing in the videos or his books in the way of explanation of these problems; they are ignored. There has to be a mechanism involved, none is ever offered.
what are you talking about?
Similarly, a simulation hypothesis is unfalsifiable in that it is impossible to determine that reality is a simulation from inside the simulation. Again this issue is sidestepped and the blunt assertion that reality is simulated is enforced without logic or justifiable cause. The question of what is outside the simulation is also ignored.
um alright? but alot of physicists are saying the exact same thing. that its a simulation. and they arent saying it for no reason.
what do you think it is? talking about logic or justifiable cause but the accepted model is that the universe exploded from nothing for no reason.
This is false. The current understanding is that it is likely that quantum fluctuations produced the big bang, or prior to the universe two other universes may have collided to produce the big bang.
quantum fluctuations stemming from what? why were there quantum fluctuations in the first place? how are you not grasping that something has to come before to lead into a universe. you cant just ignore this.
Physical science is not concerned with the reason or why of existence, and conflating such philosophical questions to the realm of material science is illogical.
were not #ing talking about physical science.....
I've already read the books. Not a single prediction is made. Nor are there any in any of the videos I have seen on the theory.
My comment might have been petty, but it's still true. He is directly profiting from the uninformed public through lying about his product. It is not a theory of everything, it is not even a scientific theory, yet this is exactly what he claims, deliberately misleading people into shelling out for it.
Scientific theories aren't a commodity to be bought and sold like a self-help book. Science does not work that way. Pseudoscience however, works exactly that way.
yeah dude hes rollin in dough while making basically everything he writes about free on youtube. character assassination. thats petty. in what way does calling tom a scam artist add to the conversation. you are a dishonest man if this is how you discuss such things.
Obviously I do not know everything. I do however know enough to be able to confidently identify fake science and flawed logic when I see it.
ok so then forget about it. you dont have to keep telling me about how you think tom's TOE is fake science. maybe you just dont understand it. and with the crap youve been saying im starting to think that this might just be the case. you sometime reply to my comments with completely irrelevant things. i suspect you do this as an attempt t confuse me to get the upper hand. I think rather than leveling with me and being rational youd rather resort to petty subterfuge just to feed your own ego.