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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: introvert
Why not just ban lobbying?
1st amendment, mostly.
Curious about your Founders' claim though.
Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: introvert
I've always been a fan of Jefferson, warts and all. But that quote doesn't seem to be about people petitioning the government on behalf of corporations, or any other groups.
Maybe. Or not.
True, but I do believe it does apply to my statement of "the Founder's original summation that corporations and banks should not be able to affect the people's government".
This exact quotation has not been found in the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It may be a mistaken amalgamation of the author's comments in the above 1994 reference with a real Jefferson quotation.
originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Flatfish
business people have a right to petition the government to express their needs and wants just as much as joe and suzy blow do.
but that being said, it should be on equal grounds as joe and suzy. just because you have a lot of cash doesn't mean your better than them and that your sh@@ don't stink.
originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Flatfish
hey don't miss understand me, i hate lobbyist especially those that lobby for big business and such.
but there are other special interest groups that lobby congress and regulatory agencies, such as lgbt rights groups, women's rights groups, black rights groups, The NRA, the list of special interest groups is long, almost as long as corporations. if you stop business people from hiring people to lobbying congress and regulatory agencies, you would have to stop those groups from hiring people to lobbying congress and regulatory agencies also.
as far as i know there is no language or amendments in the Constitution, for and about lobbying. but there there have been court rulings calling the practice free speech and protected by the 1st amendment of the Constitution.
and your just dreaming if you think sanders is going to be nominated, let alone win. even in the long shot he did, he can't make the country a socialist utopia with his pen and phone.