Eating Meat is Unethical

a reply to: purplemer

Thing is some do not including veggies and meat eaters.
Also cooking I'm shocked at the level of people who do not know anything about cooking or how to keep food etc.
I caught a lad attempting to defrost a chicken by pouring boiling water on it...

a reply to: boymonkey74

I think a large population of cows are happier than if they were struggling in the wild. I know my best friend has a farm in kansas with 100 head of Charolais Cows. He gives each a acre of grass to eat at any given time, no predators, plenty of water.

a reply to: burdman30ott6


We aren't. Cavemen were scavengers, picking on carcasses that predators had abandoned..

Cavemen didnt have a choice. Eat are starve. We have choice.

originally posted by: UniFinity
Or would you let your kids watch or do the butchering of the animals or rather let them pluck plants?...i thought so. Case closed.

My kids have been helping in the processing of game and fish since they were toddlers. My 8 year old daughter can fillet a salmon cleaner than most adults and my 9 year old son can skin out small game like a machine. They are equally comfortable field dressing Bambi as they are picking a bucketful of crow berries (although they do tend to eat as many berries as find their way into the buckets, whereas they know not to graze off of carcasses.) So that argument fails, friend.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Unwashed vegetables can contain b12 that is because of microbial activity in the soil.

How much Immodium A.D. do you blast through in a year? Sorry, but I'll just keep keeping on.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Son of Will
First note: I ate meat for 24 years before changing my diet as an experiment, 

Please explain to me why it is that former smokers, former alcoholics, and former meat eaters are, almost without fail, always preachy, self righteous individuals who believe it's their job to make sure every one around them makes the same personal choice they made in relation to whatever "vice" they previously enjoyed? I've never understood this. You made a choice, good for you... now butt out of every one else's business and move on with your own choice.

If I may add my take in this? I can't comment on the drink or smokes as I drink way too much and only ever smoked a cigar or 2 a year

However on the ex-meat eaters, I would think, in the main it's because they feel so passionately opposed to animal exploitation.

Have you considered that they do not see animals as less important than humans? They see animals as equal in that we all have the capacity to suffer and feel pain. Try to imagine then knowing what we do about how we treat animals and not speaking up.

originally posted by: purplemer
You need to understand your food..

I already understand everything I need to about my food...

It was slower than me.

Thing is the cows and lambs will all be extinct 50 years after we make lab meat.
Their doom is inevitable.
Just like 99.99% of all animals.
TBH should we even be attempting to help some like the Panda? (whos major evolutionary cockup is a small penis) because they are cute? their habitat will be gone so should we even spend the millions we do so we can have them just in zoos?.
yeah our fault I know but how many species go extinct every day?.
Ooops mind wandering sorry OP.

It's been proven plants feel, eat. There's nothing we can eat that does not harm another. Even if we went pure vegan, we'd be killing animals in droves by demolishing their homes for our farmland, and killing them rather than sharing the bounty.

There's as much blood on the hands of vegans as everyone else.

Nature is not a happy fluffy place, with or without humans. And nature quite often takes hours, to a whole day or more for some predators to kill their prey.

There is no moral high ground when it comes to survival. Mother Gaea is a cold hearted bitch like that. It's kill or be killed, it's that simple. Just because a person decides to eat only plant matter while ignoring those they are robbing food from, chasing from their homes, and causing the outright slaughter of does not change that.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: DeceptioVisus

Until you can provide affordable organic vegetables, seeds, and fruits then it seems animal protein is more of a thing for the poor.

The funny thing is that is far more expensive., uses far more land and far more toxic to the environment to create meat than it is vegetables.

I disagree. Maybe commercially. Even that's debatable. On a real life personal level I can't afford to shop at the Neighborhood Coop and there are no farmers market around here. On 5 acres I can pasture raise enough beef and pork to feed my whole family for nearly a year. My animals are treated like royalty and my pastures stay green.

I am a serious gardener and I grow as much fruit and vegetables as possible. I freeze and can as much organic fruit and vegetable as one person can. I cannot come close to feeding my whole family for a year with organic vegetables.

I compost and will not allow chemicals on my farm. If you think pasture raised animals are worse on the environment than the GMO/round up ready corn and beans grown around me then you are grossly misinformed.

When it comes to expense of storing plants vs animal protein, plants are far less economical.

Your post holds no weight in the real world where people have to eat or die and you can get a cheeseburger for $2 but a salad cost $7.

a reply to: Scouse100

Well then I'll see you on the African Savannah in the middle of a pride of lions trying to stop them from eating meat and preaching the benefits of veganism. I look forward to your success.

I mean, after all ... PETA says you can do it with your onw cats and dogs.

So why not take up your cross and preach it to the our wild brethren?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

How much Immodium A.D. do you blast through in a year? Sorry, but I'll just keep keeping on.

I can ferment most foods and creams and shampoos. If you know what your doing and your know the rules then you can make some really nice food. Its simple to make and a good method of storage which is good because i like to grow my own vegetables. Its also a good way of getting probiotics into your system.

a reply to: ketsuko

Also everyone eats animals If they have flour, bread,chocolate,pasta loads of insects in all them.

a reply to: purplemer

I can ferment most foods and creams and shampoos. If you know what your doing and your know the rules then you can make some really nice food.

That's, interesting. I hope your recipes are available online somewhere.

a reply to: Puppylove
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better.

a reply to: DeceptioVisus

The amount of calorific energy required to grow a cow is far than the energy creating to grow the food to feed a cow.


www.treehugger.com...

5 acres of land is a lot of land to grow vegetables on.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation


thank you


some are available online and many are my own personal things. I would like to put a thread up sometime about it though because i think its a very important method of preserving food and herbs for creams. Will let you know when i get around to doing it..

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Scouse100

Well then I'll see you on the African Savannah in the middle of a pride of lions trying to stop them from eating meat and preaching the benefits of veganism. I look forward to your success.

I mean, after all ... PETA says you can do it with your onw cats and dogs.

So why not take up your cross and preach it to the our wild brethren?

I'm not a 'preacher of veganism', just trying to answer the question and explain why some do.

Totally different thing, Lions don't have the choice, they have to do that for their health and survival. I have the choice, I know I can get what I need elsewhere, so meat for me would be pure self indulgence with a huge cost (not financial).

a reply to: Scouse100

Sure you CAN but what suffering are you honestly preventing when you do so? We are a higher order mammal, whether we eat meat or vegetable matter, others die and suffer so that we may live.

So yes you have a choice, but in what way does that choice matter or change anything in the grand scheme of things?

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

This argument doesnt hold up though , to those who butcher their own meat or hunt their own game on a regular basis

I think owning a commercial butcher shop for many years and owning a commercial fishing/processing/fresh fish, smoked shell fish and the whole 9 is a bit more equivalent with what most people eat and not their own like yourself.

Yet you maintain that you cant clean a fish without picking out the worms? thats factually incorrect

I have to wonder if your fish processing plant went down because of the quality of your product

You can claim whatever you want on the internet, however your statements go directly against what youve just said......