Eating Meat is Unethical

originally posted by: Son of Will
This may sound outrageous, but in reality it is deceptively simple. All I need is one paragraph to make a 100% iron-tight argument.

All I need is one sentence to counter all of that.

Meat is delicious.

I eat the odd bit of steak raw,its very nice actually. Ill eat raw bacon....fish thats still kicking,with no flavouring. I get a funny look at the butchers when I ask for a piece of steak and say" dont worry about wrapping it,ill eat it here"....

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Son of Will

So you made the choice to stop eating your natural diet and exclude meat. Now you want everyone else to do the same.

OK. Now how do we get other omnivores and carnivores to also stop eating their natural diets?

How do we replace the calories, nutrients and manage to feed the world after removing meat? Let people starve for "ethical" reasons. Have you thought this through?

What is natural for us changes when we EVOLVE.
Any diet that feeds a person and keeps them healthy is natural enough. To top that people live longer healthier lives as vegetarians/vegans. The world its nature, animals, people are more important than our taste buds.

You are not well informed if the world does not stop eating meat people will starve and have not enough water. Please read the science and not the greedy who have a stake in the flesh selling industries.

Is Meat Sustainable?
M E A T
Now, It’s Not Personal!
But like it or not, meat-eating is becoming a problem for everyone on the planet.
www.worldwatch.org...

It is one of the great failings of the environmental movement—and successes of the food lobby—that most people have no idea that bacon cheeseburgers have anything to do with starving babies, or climate change. Meat production is incredibly energy intensive.

science.time.com...

As the world's population balloons to 9 billion by 2050, based on current agricultural practices, the global food system may not be able to meet the demands of an increasingly affluent and urban population.
Yet shifting crops away from animal feed and biofuels to growing food exclusively for human consumption could increase global calorie availability by as much as 70 percent, according to a study from researchers at the University of Minnesota, St. Paul.

www.scientificamerican.com...

106 gallons of water goes into making just one ounce of beef

Producing 1 kg of animal protein requires about 100 times more water than producing 1 kg of grain protein

ajcn.nutrition.org...

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If eating meat is unethical then why are animals made out of food!

Humans and pigs are nearly the same.

Similarity to human structure -- Pigs are mammals. Consequently, all of the major structures found in humans are present in the fetal pig.

www.goshen.edu...

We share roughly 50% of our DNA with bananas. Stop eating your cousins you monster!

they will never transplant a bloody heart of a banana in a person

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Given that we ourselves are big animals ... is it entirely ethical to do all we can to extend our own lifespans?

So perhaps it is more ethical to eat meat after all. Not only are removing animals that burn through water, but we are also removing ourselves and WE burn through water too.

Millions of years of evolution can't be wrong...

Meat is delicious for a reason.

a reply to: watchitburn

Thought it was good thread myself and even if you dont care about the OPs opinion I do. Adleast their opinion was thought out..


snf

a reply to: Krazysh0t

All I need is one sentence to counter all of that. Meat is delicious

We dont have to be cave men anymore...

a reply to: purplemer

They might have thought out their opinion, but they presented it as fact.

That's mostly what so many are objecting to.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Krazysh0t

All I need is one sentence to counter all of that. Meat is delicious

We dont have to be cave men anymore...

I'm all for treating animals "humanely" before we slaughter them, but I will not be ashamed of my love of dead flesh. I don't care how liberal I become. Let my kids all become vegetarians. I want to eat meat.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Meat and meat protiens, along with dairy proteins , provide nutriets that our bodies need....

There are no nutrients lacking from a vegan diet.. Al you need can be obtained from vegetables are fruit. It takes a little while to learn and for your body to get use to it.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Krazysh0t

All I need is one sentence to counter all of that. Meat is delicious

We dont have to be cave men anymore...

We aren't. Cavemen were scavengers, picking on carcasses that predators had abandoned, using stone tools to smash open bones for the marrow inside while foraging for wild edibles. That's about as far from modern meat afficianados as it gets.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

A vegetarian eats eggs and sometimes milk and cheese as a vegetarian you are missing nothing compared to a meat eating diet.

wrong and youre missing a LOT compared to a meat protein based diet........im sorry are you a nutritionist? Because this statement is a flat out lie

If you search you will see hundreds of them. I am 6.2 and in great health my personal reasons for making the change we about the planet as a whole and about the disgusting things I know as I was a butcher for many years and fish processor. The parasites and the tumors and the unspeakable things people are eating unknowingly.

yeah i can google a lot of things , but telling you from personal experience and having a borther in law who IS a nutritionist and also trains competition body builders I can tell you the differences are HUGE...

You can't filet a fish without pulling out the worms, do people know this in general?

Ummm where the hell are you fishing? Ive found worms maybe 4 or 5 times in all the times ive bee fishing and you just throw the fish away.......

99% of the time you find nothing of the sort.......

I feel like all of your experiences are anacdotal because none of this has happened to me and im an avid outdoorsman

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Meat and meat protiens, along with dairy proteins , provide nutriets that our bodies need....

There are no nutrients lacking from a vegan diet.. Al you need can be obtained from vegetables are fruit. It takes a little while to learn and for your body to get use to it.

read my post above, through experience i can tell you, that you are wrong

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Thats good i dont really think there is any right or wrong about this stuff. For me personally i see all animals as sentient beings. I do my best to let live life and killing animals is to me a form of bullying.

I dont see any reason why we need to treat animals the way we do. We live in an age of material abundance but have lost our compassion.

A Ted talk you might like...are animals thinking and feeling. You seem to like your science.

www.ted.com...

Happy days

a reply to: Blaine91555

ou should include most ranchers and farmers in with the hunters. Having been raised around farms and ranches, I know for a fact that livestock is treated like pampered pets by nearly all of them. Of course there are bad people in any group, but livestock is not abused in any way in nearly all cases. They are so valuable, they get great medical care, the best food and treated well to guarantee a great product.

You are living in the past this is an old report it is much worse today.

Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms,

Personally I always had to wonder at people who treated a farm animal like a pet and then eat them.

Over the last two decades, small- and medium-scale livestock
farms have given way to factory farms that confine
thousands of cows, hogs and chickens in tightly packed
facilities. Farmers have adopted factory-farming practices
largely at the behest of the largest meatpackers, pork
processors, poultry companies and dairy processors. The
largest of these agribusinesses are practically monopolies,
controlling what consumers get to eat, what they pay for
groceries and what prices farmers receive for their livestock.

www.factoryfarmmap.org...
www.boxingscene.com...

Did you know about 70% of all antibiotics produced in the US are given to livestock?

You can categorize life on earth with dentistry. There are creatures with sharp teeth. There are creatures with flat teeth. There are creatures with no teeth. There are creatures with both sharp and flat teeth. There is also a hierarchy referred to as the food chain.

Creatures with no teeth absorb nutrients. These creatures are food for the higher levels of no teeth creatures. Think worms and birds. Natural.

There are creatures with flat teeth. Flat teeth eat grass and leaves. Flat teeth creatures aren't particularly smart creatures. You don't have to be smart to hunt grass.

There are creatures with sharp teeth. Sharp teeth creatures eat flat teeth creatures. Sharp teeth creatures are generally smarter than flat teeth creatures because they must hunt the flat teeth creatures.

There are creatures with both sharp and flat teeth, omnivores. Omnivores eat both the sharp teeth and the flat teeth creatures as well as the plants and no teeth creatures they feed on. Omnivores are the smartest of all and reside at the top of the food chain.

Nature and evolution do not equip us with features we do not need, nor does it allow us to maintain them. We have sharp teeth. We are intended to eat the flat teeth creatures. It is natures way.

ps - because bacon

originally posted by: purplemer
There are no nutrients lacking from a vegan diet.. Al you need can be obtained from vegetables are fruit. It takes a little while to learn and for your body to get use to it.

O'Rly?
www.theveganrd.com...

An effort to prove that a whole foods vegan diet is the ideal or foolproof diet of all humans gives rise to all kinds of potentially harmful myths. These include the unfounded position that vegans can meet vitamin B12 needs by consuming unwashed organic produce, or that we have lower calcium needs than omnivores, or that it’s been “proven” that no one needs long chain omega-3 fats in their diet.
If these claims make vegan diets look easy and ideal, but they jeopardize health—well, that just seems like a pretty poor trade-off.

This article is from a vegan, for vegans, admitting that the idea that all required nutrients can be obtained straight from fruit and veggies is a myth.

Now, aside from Vitamin D, I don't take any supplements and have no deficiencies. The Vitamin D I take is from September to May and is because I live so far North that the sun doesn't reach high enough in the sky to provide the ultraviolet B rays needed for my skin to produce the vitamin naturally, it has nothing to do with diet.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Personally I always had to wonder at people who treated a farm animal like a pet and then eat them.

You're confusing respect and proper stock care for "treating like a pet."

a reply to: purplemer

I do. So I'll also post this here in response.

Do plants feel pain?

According to researchers at the Institute for Applied Physics at the University of Bonn in Germany, plants release gases that are the equivalent of crying out in pain. Using a laser-powered microphone, researchers have picked up sound waves produced by plants releasing gases when cut or injured. Although not audible to the human ear, the secret voices of plants have revealed that cucumbers scream when they are sick, and flowers whine when their leaves are cut [source: Deutsche Welle].

There's also evidence that plants can hear themselves being eaten. Researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia found that plants understand and respond to chewing sounds made by caterpillars that are dining on them. As soon as the plants hear the noises, they respond with several defense mechanisms [source: Feinberg].

Remember. Plants are alive too.