Eating Meat is Unethical

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Long pig FTW.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Please explain to me why it is that former smokers, former alcoholics, and former meat eaters are, almost without fail, always preachy...

I want to invite you over for the holidays. I plan on making meat cigarettes dipped in Bourbon.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

This argument doesnt hold up though , to those who butcher their own meat or hunt their own game on a regular basis

yes a vast majority of consumers out there have no idea how this process is done...

But to make the accusation that have come up on this thread, that eating meat is immoral, and has no factual basis in our evolution is outright ridiculous.....

Meat and meat protiens, along with dairy proteins , provide nutriets that our bodies need....

I work out 7 days a week, and lift every single day, I keep a balanced diet and eat really clean.....

I tried for 5 months at one poitn to go completely vegan and maintain my routine, I couldnt do it....

My body couldnt handle my active routine on purely vegan substitutes , even with all the crap that vegans and vegan website pushed , that I needed to take to maintain that balance

I had a huge loss of energy, my strength training went way down, my endurance went way down, even my muscle mass went way down....

Despite that, I had a freaking closet full of crap I had to take just to try and maintain the levels i previously did, just eating a balanced diet of red meat, fish proteins, chicken , eggs and dairy....

Bottles and bottles of waste and excess along with a HUGE jump in my supplement intake....

The amount of money it took to try and maintain that was ATROCIOUS!

IF you want to talk about viable, it seems to me that being an omnivore is much more viable.....

a reply to: NewzNose

You poor, poor bastard. Is there anything we can do to help ease your suffering? This has to be especially painful during the Christmas season.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Son of Will
First note: I ate meat for 24 years before changing my diet as an experiment, 

Please explain to me why it is that former smokers, former alcoholics, and former meat eaters are, almost without fail, always preachy, self righteous individuals who believe it's their job to make sure every one around them makes the same personal choice they made in relation to whatever "vice" they previously enjoyed? I've never understood this. You made a choice, good for you... now butt out of every one else's business and move on with your own choice.

It's like anything.

It's a major life change, and they are likely still a bit insecure in it deep down. So with all the enthusiasm of the newly converted (yes, new religious converts are often like this too; think born again) and need to not feel like they are alone, they eagerly go out to create more of themselves.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I'm there.

Hmmm... bacon wrapped Havanas with a rum glaze. This could be a new thing.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Hmmm... bacon wrapped Havanas with a rum glaze. This could be a new thing.

On second thought, instead of having them at my house we should eat/smoke them in a confined public place, preferably in front of numerous children.

I love meat. I'm actually cooking up some ribs right now. Eating meat is an instinct. Not eating it is a choice.

I went partial vegetarian (seafood the exception), not so long ago. I was a firm believer in the whole canine teeth and red meat for brain development, argument party. I was a big fan of rare meat. The bloodier, the better.

The mere thought of dropping meat/poultry made me shudder. A daunting task to say the least. But, fortunately it turned out to be easier than forecast. It was all about "shrinkimg" my eating habits. I looked at plates that I regularly grazed on that contained no meat, and made eating that stuff more frequent. I applied additional layers of refinement, steered towards being conscious if health, as I gradually phased out the unwanted foods.

It was shocking how easy it was to write off the meat and not miss it at all. Certain healthy tweaks to the diet made me feel like I had and have, boundless levels of energy. It got to the point where I could backpack the whole island of Manhattan in a few hours on just a spoon of honey, a banana, and a carton of coconut water, and never feel hungry or tired, while in perpetual motion.

My old eating habits never once crossed my mind.

(PS Some may ask why is ""seafood" an exception? Well, mom never liked or touched seafood before she was pregnant with me. During the pregnancy, she ate nothing but seafood until I came to term. She consumed enough Mercury in a day, that is suggested for intake by the FDA for a month. The moment air hit my lungs, mom went back to being utter repulsed by fruittie de marie. That uncontested truth of the fabric of my development I will not sway.)

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If eating meat is unethical then why are animals made out of food!

Humans and pigs are nearly the same.

Similarity to human structure -- Pigs are mammals. Consequently, all of the major structures found in humans are present in the fetal pig.

www.goshen.edu...

We share roughly 50% of our DNA with bananas. Stop eating your cousins you monster!

originally posted by: NautPsycho
Eat meat with no spices and tell me if it's still yummy. In its natural state it's foul # to the tongue.

1. That's either nonsense or an indication that you're buying inferior, antibiotic laden meats and/or are a crappy cook.
2. Ever tried an unseasoned potato?

I'm noticing a distinct lack of the OP's presence. Hit and run posts for the loss.

originally posted by: Autorico

I'm noticing a distinct lack of the OP's presence.

Sorry, I was hungry.

a reply to: Son of Will

So you made the choice to stop eating your natural diet and exclude meat. Now you want everyone else to do the same.

OK. Now how do we get other omnivores and carnivores to also stop eating their natural diets?

How do we replace the calories, nutrients and manage to feed the world after removing meat? Let people starve for "ethical" reasons. Have you thought this through?

a reply to: NautPsycho

False claims of being a omnivore? Canine teeth and Binocular vision is the mark of a meat eater. And even deer eat meat! They eat field mice to strengthen their antlers.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I work out 7 days a week, and lift every single day, I keep a balanced diet and eat really clean.....

I tried for 5 months at one poitn to go completely vegan and maintain my routine, I couldnt do it....

My body couldnt handle my active routine on purely vegan substitutes , even with all the crap that vegans and vegan website pushed , that I needed to take to maintain that balance

A vegetarian eats eggs and sometimes milk and cheese as a vegetarian you are missing nothing compared to a meat eating diet.

I am sure that since you gave it a go you know there are many famous athletes who are vegan or vegetarian. If you search you will see hundreds of them. I am 6.2 and in great health my personal reasons for making the change we about the planet as a whole and about the disgusting things I know as I was a butcher for many years and fish processor. The parasites and the tumors and the unspeakable things people are eating unknowingly.

You can't filet a fish without pulling out the worms, do people know this in general?

The additives we used for burger alone is enough to make a strong stomached person ill if they knew. The stuff we like to call "juice" the body fluids, blood and fat exactly like your own full of compatible parasites. Today I would not doubt roadkill being added as the protection and controls of food have been broken.

www.veganbandit.net...
50 Famous Vegetarians
vegetarian.procon.org...
SPORTS NUTRITION GUIDELINES FOR THE VEGETARIAN
www.vrg.org...
Can Athletes Perform Well on a Vegan Diet?
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
I think hunters have more respect and empathy for animals than your average vegan.
They participate in the circle of life and are grateful for the animal that gives them sustenance.
They intimately know how animals live, what they eat, where they sleep and where they fit in the grand scheme of life.
I despise factory farming for it's cruelty make no mistake.
We take supermarket meat for granted and care nothing for the life it was taken from.
Every disconnect from nature that becomes routine distances us further from the source of life and the creator.
Same goes for farmed vegetables really - those you grown at home keep us connected to our Earth.

You should include most ranchers and farmers in with the hunters. Having been raised around farms and ranches, I know for a fact that livestock is treated like pampered pets by nearly all of them. Of course there are bad people in any group, but livestock is not abused in any way in nearly all cases. They are so valuable, they get great medical care, the best food and treated well to guarantee a great product.

You make a great point about most hunters, the trophy hunters excluded. Since in my younger days, the meat I took hunting was an important part of my income, I was disgusted with the trophy hunting by people who did not need the meat and hunted only for the mount on the wall. I've ran across carcasses discarded by those people while hunting and it pissed me off to no end, knowing most of us needed the meat.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
The additives we used for burger alone is enough to make a strong stomached person ill if they knew. The stuff we like to call "juice" the body fluids, blood and fat exactly like your own full of compatible parasites. Today I would not doubt roadkill being added as the protection and controls of food have been broken.

[citation needed]

Again, a great argument against factory farming, not meat.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
You can't filet a fish without pulling out the worms, do people know this in general?

The additives we used for burger alone is enough to make a strong stomached person ill if they knew. The stuff we like to call "juice" the body fluids, blood and fat exactly like your own full of compatible parasites.

Wrong argument, friend. I'm an Alaskan. I fish and I hunt. I also grew up on a ranch butchering hogs, goats, steers, and chickens yearly. I fish for red salmon using a dip net every summer and fill my freezer that way. I've yet to clean a Kenai, Copper, or Kasilof River red that didn't have a gut full of fettucinni noodles (roundworms). I've never cleaned a hog that didn't have parasites. You cook the meat and it's all just extra protein.

To be real honest, the crap that gets ground up in most vegetarian friendly grains, fruits, and vegetables disgusts me more. Rodent droppings, weevils, worms, rodent hairs, most e.coli infections stem from field greens, etc.

a reply to: NautPsycho

We are in fact omnivores. To say otherwise is very dishonest.

Even a bovine must eat the insects mixed in with their feed to get the B vitamins they need to survive. That is also a fact.

You can make an argument for health reasons and that is reasonable. To say eating our natural diet is unethical though is unethical. Forcing your lifestyle on others or trying to deceive them with false claims is unethical.