Millionaire cleared of rape after claiming he ‘accidentally penetrated’ teenager

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie
All those scenarious likely happened. But its just as likely that the second one got a little pet pevved that she was not getting all the attention like the 24 yr old was and decided that she was slighted and cry rape.

Lets face it, nobody drugged or dragged them both there. Nobody made them go to a club were rich people hang out to pick up females. Nobody made them drink or take those free drinks or that free ride back to the guys apartment. Nobody made her stay there while quote on quote her friend was getting busy next door in the guys place. Nobody but they decided to do all that. Even the sensationalized story in the op is clear on that, it was a consensual matter, which for some reason turned sour when one party decided to cry foul and rape. And not sure but I think even the other female in question may have a different story, but nobody is asking her it seems.

So yes, this is about personal responsibility in something she and her friend not willingly went along with but they likely put a lot of thought and effort in it. And I ain't just talking about the few hours in front of the mirror putting up makeup and deciding what to wear. In fact that right there is more effort then she likely put in or will put then in her other boyfriends or likely any other man she will get on with after this. No doupt the poor fool will get to play the love game were he will have to read her mind and jump through hoops for every singly insignificant and meaningless thing and the whole shebang. And on top of that will likely have to deal with the whole cognitive dissonance of her ego and this little fiasco.

Like I said this is a none issue. The way I see it, all parties chose to be there, these women or girls chose to be there. This is not a court issue, this is a issue among themselves. This is some wierd one night stand, which one party now regrets and says it was rape, eh who know, it could be, but then again why is she there in the first place. To see his collection of cars or watch why her friend gets it on? Apparently the 24 yr old knew the guy before, who knows maybe they thought to get kinky by adding somebody new to the mix up and declined to inform the 18 yr old.

You can take your pick, either way the whole thing smells fishy. But the fact is she and they willingly went there and put effort into it all to be there. This is more or less a dispute among lovers or boyfriends or girlfriends even if it was a one night thing then anything else. They should handle it themselves. This is a dispute among lovers, because by there actions that is what they are and what they all willingly went along with.

A non issue? I don't care how slutty or drunk the girl is, I don't care that she passed out on his couch. NO ONE deserves to wake up to some gross old guy's penis inside their vagina. That's rape.

Ya thats what I am saying. She did not just wake up to a penis in her vagina. I am saying in some capacity she was awake and willing and knew what will happen and what was happening, and later likely had a tinge of the guilty conscious and decided that things changed. I mean come on how many females do you know that go out with there friends in what is obvious a place for picking up chicks and then tag along knowing it was about sex and just decided to sleep on the couch while they get in on? So ya! It just may have been consensual sex which she regretted latter on or who knows what reason. But the fact stands that she put more effort in being there at that place at that time with that guy, much more so then being somewhere else, more effort in fact them most women put in with being with there boyfriends or husbands. In fact its likely she could have just asked for a taxi home and that would have been the end of that little story.

Whatever went on, there all bull#ing about various things.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

@ ForteanOrg @galadofwarthethird @Astyanax It doesn't matter that they were hanging out at a club. It doesn't matter if they were drinking. It doesn't matter that she passed out on his couch. It doesn't matter what she was wearing. No man has the right to penetrate a woman by any means without her consent. That is the definition of rape. Rape is the worst possible crime that could be committed against a person. Your defense of this guy, and attitude that this crime is a 'non issue' is pretty disturbing.

Listen I know generally these type of issue seem to be a hot button with you people. But really try not to get all emotional.

But let me say it clearly. Off course it matters that she went out to that club willingly, and off course it matters that she was drinking also willingly, and off course it matters that she went home with the guy for what is obvoious sex and the whole lot, again that to is consensual, and off course it matters that she just happened to sleep on his couch. Which again is just part of the story in the op, but the guy has a different take on it, and so did the judge and everybody else involved in there. I mean she must be a pretty heavy sleeper if she cant feel some old musty guy on top of here pumping away...Or it was all consensual. I dont see most females going along with all that and putting effort in being there in that place in that time with that guy if they did not somehow for some reason wanted to be there.

In all those scenario's she could have chose different, in fact the choice of not going with the guy to his place would have resulted in this being even a bigger none issue, and if she was so sleepy when her friend and the old rich guy was getting in, well she could have just taken a taxi home or just left and went somewhere else.

In conclusion, this is a spat and quarrel for whatever reason among lovers, for that is what the total sum of all there action make them out to be. Everything else the words and the stories even the testimonies are merely words and meaningless, and actions do speak louder then words, and there actions say exactly what this was about. Even what they believe is merely pale shadows to what there actions are.

Everything else is merely opinion pieces. This is a dispute among lovers, though be it former lovers, or at least for one of them I think the 24 yr old still may be getting freaky with the guy likely. But none of the girls were under age, and they were all there willingly knowing full well what was going on and why they were all there for. And what was likely going to happen and going down.

Nobody! I repeat nobody is that stupid to not know or see what its all about, not even 18 yr olds. A little self responsibility goes a long way, this to me seems to be a matter of choice more so then anything else, and she chose to be there, and despite what she says now, she likely chose to engage in sexual intercourse with the guy as well. Or at least did not do or say anything at the time to the contrary or do anything really to make sure she was not there. Which would have been much less effort in doing then what she and her friend put in being there.

But hey I am quite sure everybody had there take on this particular story. I think I will leave it at, some sort of bizarre rich old guy love triangle one night stand with his two girlfriend. A bizarre lovers quarrel. There are plenty of those around thats for sure.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie
Did you actually read the story. Its sensationalized but thats not even what the guy said.


Basically his defense for raping here is this. So mister rich guy how come we found semen on the girls parts...And he is like, what? Oh I dont know, I think its because I was banging her girlfriend next door and the goey stuff got everywhere even on my hands and must have got a little on her when I touched here with my hands or something like that.

There is no falling with erect penis straight into her vagina, the guy is not even that creative to come up with that, and that is something you all made up or the sites who after caught on to this story. All of that is something you all made up, and the things he made up is his excuse that while banging her girlfriend it got so hot and passionate that the stuff got everywere and somehow must have got onto her latter. Briliant no? The falling into her with his penis may have been a better one.

Oh ya! Bull# on all parts. But hey what else would one expect on court procedings.

And just because someone's acquitted or found not guilty, does not necessarily mean they are NOT GUILTY. For you to believe that it does makes you just as naive as the people you're railing on for trying him in the court of public opinion based on an inflammatory headline. Case in point: OJ Simpson.

OJ Simpson was guilty as sin. I mean lets see, they have a glove his glove with blood on it, they have witnesses to disputes, they had bloody golfclubs and even fingerprints, a knife with DNA and what not I think, they even have video of him on public tv running from the cops in his car and cops chasing him for hours. But ya he was found not guilty. Mosley because of how the justice system works, ie $$$. Even all black people I talked about with this years ago, to quote them "that nigga guilty as #"

But hey everything worked out in the end now he is in prison for trying to steal back some of his memoravilia from some guy using strong arm ways. Which really is a semi serious minor thing, most especially considering he got off with what is basically murder.

Case in point..Well he ran out of money in the murder trial and could not afford to get off in the theft trial. So now he is in jail...Also case in point. The justice system does not necessarily work. Or at least it depends on a few key factors.

But this case> There is more bull# in this case then the OJ Simpson case by far from what I have seen. For instance I do not think the girls were quite as innocent or none consentive as one of them says she was, you think she was, the rich guy is likely just saying the first thing that comes up to his mind at the time as that has never happened to him before with the likely hundreds of other girls before...And well you know, everybody has an opinion.

But I still think the fact stands that there actions says more then anything else about what this whole thing is about and what they were all about, rich guy, ladies involved, as they could have all chose to have been somewhere else that night, and even commenters on random sites it speaks volumes about what scenarios you all play out or have in your head. And so did OJ,s at the time. Its all one big duh factor.

My verdict. People watch to much crime dramas and TV which makes a good show, it sells and gets ratings, but it makebelieve and script for the most part. Sometimes some things are just glaringly obvious, even if they are bizarrely weird and regrettable for some involved.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie
Did you actually read the story. Its sensationalized but thats not even what the guy said.
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There is no falling with erect penis straight into her vagina, the guy is not even that creative to come up with that, and that is something you all made up or the sites who after caught on to this story.

Actually that is part of the story. He was asked to provide an explanation for the presence of semen. One of the possibilities he offered up was "accidental penetration". This has somehow morphed into "court lets rapist walk free because they believed he accidentally slipped and fell into victim's vagina", thanks to a semi-literate public who have been raised to thump their chests and howl instead of engaging their brains.

a reply to: peck420

True..I think what actually happened was a "business arrangement" or like gone sour, I'm not getting the impression the girls clothes were ripped off and she was raped, having said that if she did not want to proceed and was forced, she can call it rape.
There has to be more too this though.

For the record:
I'm not saying the girl is completely innocent. I'm not even saying she was raped. I'm not jumping up and down for a good lynching.

You are totally correct that slimeball lawyers will twist words and trick people into saying the wrong thing. And I'm sure the defense did that to witnesses in this case. It's what they do. And it's a simple mind f*ck like this that lets guilty men walk free.

Here's my point:
I could lay butt naked in the middle of Times Square, drunk as Cooter Brown, and it would still not mean that passing men have any kind of implied permission to stick any part of themselves into any part of myself. Every other sordid detail of the story aside (drinking, partying, strip poker, whatevs) if she did in fact wake up to him penetrating her, that's rape. She didn't 'deserve' it. And he should be punished.

And if he had offered up any kind of reasonable explanation (consensual sex) I would have nothing to say because it would be his word against hers- a stale mate. But he didn't offer any kind of reasonable explanation. He offered the dumbest pile of crap I could possibly imagine. I read the articles, he said that he went to ask her if she needed anything, she grabbed him behind his head and he was too fragile to break the fall. And somehow during the slip he got semen in/on her vagina. So effing ridiculous my head wants to explode. THAT alone, in my mind, destroys his credibility and leans me to believe that he IS in fact, a lying rapist.

I'm entitled to my opinion on the matter, just as any of you are entitled to have faith in a flawed system. No matter what, this douche is walking free. So...good luck with that UK.

a reply to: vonclod

Just because a woman's clothes aren't ripped off or she's not beaten doesn't mean it's not rape. It's totally typical (especially if it's your first time being raped) to freeze up. The situation is so surreal your mind just kind of short circuits. And it's only after the fact that you come to your senses and report it to the authorities. And then everyone says you wanted it because you were drinking or what you were wearing. And even if it ever goes to trial the rapist never gets convicted because it's your word against his and/or he comes up with a cockamamie story and has enough scratch to hire a good lawyer.

Justice system, my ass.

Don't know about Britain, but here in the states less than 3% of men accused of rape ever see the inside of a jail cell. And those are just the men ACCUSED of rape, a lot of women don't even bother making a report because they know it won't go anywhere. And they'd be right.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

if it was consensual and he was being blackmailed...that he would have kept quiet about that...and gone for the most ludicrous defense possible...instead of trying to go for the "truth"...which would eventually set him free if proven ?

Yes, I think he may well have done, for the simple reason that attempted blackmail under the circumstances described would be just as hard to prove as attempted rape.

But this is nothing to the point. As I said before, that is my belief about what might have happened. Neither you nor I know what really did happen. All we have is opinions. The difference between you and me, my friend, is that you would send a man to gaol on an opinion, whereas I would not.

You people are behaving like members of a lynch-mob.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

* This post is for Astyanax as well, so read up.

Can you prove which of your ‘three scenarios’ actually happened?

And if you cannot, what does justice demand concerning the treatment of the accused?

Your defense of this guy, and attitude that this crime is a 'non issue' is pretty disturbing.

Less disturbing than your lynch-mob mentality? Oh, I think not.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Here's my point:
I could lay butt naked in the middle of Times Square, drunk as Cooter Brown, and it would still not mean that passing men have any kind of implied permission to stick any part of themselves into any part of myself. Every other sordid detail of the story aside (drinking, partying, strip poker, whatevs) if she did in fact wake up to him penetrating her, that's rape. She didn't 'deserve' it. And he should be punished.

No, that was not your point. Your point was that this guy raped this girl and got away through a perversion of justice.

It is ‘disturbing’ enough when an ordinary citizen behaves like a member of a lynch-mob, but when a supposed policewoman exhibits the same attitude, it is frightening. Frankly, madam, your attitude is a disgrace to the uniform you once wore.

a reply to: Astyanax

Yes, I think he may well have done, for the simple reason that attempted blackmail under the circumstances described would be just as hard to prove as attempted rape.

So it's not about what really happened...but how you can pull the fast one over the system ? gotcha.

You people are behaving like members of a lynch-mob.

Perhaps.

No offense man, you on the other hand seem to represent other side of the spectrum. You seem perfectly happy to let the potential rapist go free on a ridiculously sounding technicality. The mere phrasing of the defense is an insult to imagination, and honestly...it's a little offensive towards humanity.

Yes, I think he may well have done, for the simple reason that attempted blackmail under the circumstances described would be just as hard to prove as attempted rape.

Which is exactly why he went with a defense that equally hard to prove but also almost physically impossible? The logic is absurd. You ought to better than that, Astyanax.

What was that thing about "refuge in audacity?" I though the judicial system was better than that. It probably is, unless you're a millionaire and get a "good" lawyer. Then you can do whatever you want, say whatever you want happened, and walk off free as a bird.

What I'm primarily disgusted by is the twenty minutes of press and observer free time.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
A non issue? I don't care how slutty or drunk the girl is, I don't care that she passed out on his couch. NO ONE deserves to wake up to some gross old guy's penis inside their vagina. That's rape. It is exactly the opposite of a non-issue. It is the most degrading and damaging crime that could be committed on a person- second only to murder. And I could argue that rape is worse than murder because you have to live the rest of your life with the repercussions of what's been forced upon you. And now she has to deal with the secondary wounding of the court. She was victimized, she went to the authorities as she's supposed to do, and now this guy is walking free on account of the stupidest story anyone could ever have come up with. It's an insult to the victim and it's an insult to the 'justice' system.

It's an issue allright and hence it was brought before Court.

Now, YOUR judgement is that the guy was guilty. But you are not the Court. In a civilised nation, we trust our Courts. They can not be bought and in this case they certainly weren't (high profile cases tend to lure in journalists whom are quit good at finding out if something was rotten). No, as sorry as you can be for any rape victim - this 18 year old was NOT a rape victim.

You picture all woman as innocent victims, and even if they end up in a guys appartment, drunk, naked, and eager to have sex - no matter what, the guy should keep his fingers off her. Well, sorry, but thats nonsense: you depict woman as brain-dead victims. They are not. If we want a society in which men and women have equal rights, than woman can't pretend not to know what might happen if they frequent some horny old guys appartment, allow him to pour her full of vodka and then lay in front of his sofa without underwear.

If that IS what happened - I don't know. The Courts know and they have decided that this was not rape.

After reading the story I have to go with the courts decision.
I have seen a close friends life get ruined for an allegation of rape.
Look at Ched Evens (who will most likely) get his rape conviction squashed there are some women who do the deed and then say rape because of money or it makes them feel better about themselves.
TBH the ones who lie should get a sentence as long as an actual rapists.
Very easy to jump the gun and automatically assume guilt when the guys is a millionaire and he is saudi isn't it?.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Which is exactly why he went with a defense that equally hard to prove but also almost physically impossible? The logic is absurd. You ought to better than that, Astyanax.

If I had to choose between a statement that makes me look like an idiot before a jury and a statement that makes it look as if I was blaming the victim, I would choose the former for fear of antagonizing the aforementioned jury. I am sure defence counsel would have advised Mr Abdulaziz accordingly.

a reply to: boymonkey74

But just to add he is obviously a POS who only can get women because of his money.
I hope every other woman on the planet learns this.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: vonclod

Don't know about Britain, but here in the states less than 3% of men accused of rape ever see the inside of a jail cell. And those are just the men ACCUSED of rape, a lot of women don't even bother making a report because they know it won't go anywhere. And they'd be right.

I agree with you concerning this case. But what youve posted is the biggest crock of sh!t ive heard all week. 3% of defendants? Get off the drugs, here in the states a woman can accuse a man shes never met and have him put behind bars. Courts ALWAYS side with the woman and everybody and their mama knows that.

Find some statistics before making outrageous claims.

a reply to: EvillerBob
Oh that was actually part of his defense as well? Wow! Its so stupid that it just may be somewhat true. But who knows, and who cares, I have seen so much bull# pulled by women, or even sometimes men that its kind of pointless to waste time thinking about it.

I will chock this up to more usual shenanigans between women and there boyfriends or lovers or what not, because they all chose to be there, and that makes them bunkbuddies at the least. It sounds that it could be just as likely she was jealous the other girl was getting all the action so tried to pull something on the guy and he was having none of it as her friend was better looking.

And its just as likely that something was going on even that its as she said that she was raped, or at least depending on what you mean by rape and all that. In her mind it could be that, or more likely cognitive dissonance, as it is a mass pandemic and females are very prone to it, especially in such cases, because, well? Laying about naked at some strange guys house who just happens to be a millionaire and you just happen to meet at a club, is kind of a duh moment! And pretty dam hard to believe that there was no consensual anything going on.

That right there is the this females equivalent of the rich guys "oh I must have fell on top of her and some of the semen must have got into her vagina somehow" Both sound about as plausible as a rhino doing algebra while singing the star spangled banner in Aramaic...What I am trying to say, both there stories do not sound very likely or plausible.

But whatever was going on there at that night, no doubt those 3 love birds got on to some kinky stuff alright. That or it was the worlds most bizarre sleepover..Wonder if they had a pillow fight? Waste of time reading about this. I want my 20 minutes back.

a reply to: MayanBoricua

For every one woman making a false rape claim, I'd say there's probably one hundred men getting away with rape.

The guys on here crying about false rape claims and claiming there's no innocent women victims seriously need some counseling. I've actually been out in the world. I've known friends personally. I've taken dozens and dozens of reports. I've witnessed first hand how the 'justice' system 'works'.

And I'm not on drugs, nor am I making up statistics:
97 out of 100 rapists

Only three out of every 100 rapists will ever spend even a single day in prison, according to a new analysis by RAINN of Justice Department data. The other 97 will walk free, facing no consequences for the violent felony they have committed. Because rapists tend to be serial criminals, this leaves communities across the nation at risk of predators.

a reply to: Astyanax

I wish I could interview these two. I'm a friggin human lie detector. One hour alone with each and I could tell you exactly what happened. But alas, I'm not in the UK and I'm not even an officer due to disability. So ATS doesn't have that luxury.

So I just have to go by what's reported. And based on past experience a bullsh*t story = bullsh*t. I've said nothing about lynching anyone, I've merely expressed my OPINION that this rich, Saudi with the expensive defense team and ludicrous story is probably guilty. I've also expressed my opinion that just because someone is cleared by a court- doesn't mean they are actually innocent.

The fact that you're so alarmist (lynch mob) and the fact that you are attacking my personal integrity is really bad form. Shame on you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion dude. Settle down.