Billboard asking people to skip church on Christmas stirs controversy

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

If your father loved you and wanted your love back and you refused to give it, and no matter what you did he said he would bail you out and you refuse to talk to him, do you expect an inheritance? Is it not compassion that you can be a complete prick to your father your whole life, and he will still take you back and give you everything?

Would your father who loves you hurt you if you refuse to love him back?

God is not hurting anyone. I will take your response to mean you agree with me since you could not refute my post.

What part of I'm not interested are you missing?

You got anything to say about the billboard?

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

God is not hurting anyone. I will take your response to mean you agree with me since you could not refute my post.

So you do not believe in hell?

If your son commits a crime and ends up in prison did you put him there?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

If your father loved you and wanted your love back and you refused to give it, and no matter what you did he said he would bail you out and you refuse to talk to him, do you expect an inheritance? Is it not compassion that you can be a complete prick to your father your whole life, and he will still take you back and give you everything?

Would your father who loves you hurt you if you refuse to love him back?

God is not hurting anyone. I will take your response to mean you agree with me since you could not refute my post.

What part of I'm not interested are you missing?

You got anything to say about the billboard?

So you got tired of going off topic and being proven wrong, having no response other than more logical fallacies. Glad you admitted it. I already spoke about the billboard, maybe you missed it thinking about your next logical fallacy.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
I fully accept their right to post that billboard.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That's not very fair for people who honestly don't believe he even exists for x, y, and z, reasons. I honestly see no evidence of his existence. I have sought it out. I remain unconvinced. I didn't choose not to believe in him out of any anger towards him, or something similar. I just see no logical reason to believe he exists. And that's just ONE God I see no evidence for.

What of all the others?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Corinthians 2 6 hey? Interesting verse, completely unrelatable though I guess you have to use something to reinforce your beliefs, though you don't believe of course

I just want to point out that picking and choosing, interpreting things in their own ways, taking things out of context (knowingly or unknowingly) is what I've observed Christians doing since... The Hebrews.

There is no one way to interpret the Bible, unfortunately. As a former believer, I find it interesting to look back and observe the various Christians and their various views. One thing I've noticed they have in common is the ability to throw out accusations that this or that other Christian is not a "true Christian" for this or that reason.

Yeah, but nah, not really interested, I know the argument

So what is the argument? Maybe you can set me straight. Because I believe a strong case can be made that celebrating Christmas is sinful.

Anyway..

Merry Christmas!

PS.

If I was pushing any of my opinions I would be using completely different terminology in my posts. As I have said, I don't care who celebrates Christmas or for what reasons.

Yes merry Christmas but only to those who accept it

I am happy to respond to a thread that questions the validity of Christians celebrating Christmas
I won't entertain the worshiping of Christmas, different argument

As I have said, Christians if they feel comfortable celebrating Christmas, that's great, worshiping, different story

Start a thread

Jesus said do all things in love and He would find that acceptable

I havnt judged anyone, just saying what the bible teaches.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Funny how they say being good isn't tied to religion, but then say people should skip church as if it angers the ignorant and hypocrite Atheist, and by stating it, destroys any possible consideration by others that their statement was valid. They proved their message was one made of ignorance of their own spirit and character which doesn't seem able to see the illogical words of their own statement.
Every Christian already knows just going to church is not a ticket to eternal life in abundance, and if Atheists really cared about their fellow man, they would simply accept their church going neighbors with care and compassion, and maybe love, And if not, why the HELL NOT?? Stop being the stick wedged up your own holes and let some light in, and the belligerence out. Jesus Christ Almighty!

I bet if Athiests went to a church and saw how simple and nice people are who don't go around tossing incitful words towards everyone else, they might see they really need to throw all that trash baggage out and let people live like they are always demanding others allow them to live. Leave people alone for once and tend to your busted up selves before trying to change others.

If you cant do that, then it shows you are the one holding the all the red flags.

Yes I agree with you, sadly there are many Christians who do the same as these atheists
Fundamentalists on both sides

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
If your son commits a crime and ends up in prison did you put him there?

Yes. Your son is there directly as a result of you not optimally raising him.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That's not very fair for people who honestly don't believe he even exists for x, y, and z, reasons. I honestly see no evidence of his existence. I have sought it out. I remain unconvinced. I didn't choose not to believe in him out of any anger towards him, or something similar. I just see no logical reason to believe he exists. And that's just ONE God I see no evidence for.

What of all the others?

Of course it's fair. One group is simply choosing wrong.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

so an atheist should pretend to believe in order to out smart god?

i think the whole "believe in me or burn in hell" offer sounds a little unfriendly.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

so an atheist should pretend to believe in order to out smart god?

i think the whole "believe in me or burn in hell" offer sounds a little unfriendly.

Except that's not the offer. The offer is accept My grace or don't.

If your car is about to explode and someone offers you a fire extinguisher, but you choose to ignore the problem and refuse to do anything, whose fault is it when the car blows up?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

the same guy that offers you the extinguisher is blowing up your car.

fun hypothetical though, keep it coming.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

the same guy that offers you the extinguisher is blowing up your car.

fun hypothetical though, keep it coming.

No, you did it. You made a mistake. He offers you a way out. You refuse. Don't make false claims.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

well why in the hell is my car burning?

why is the default my car is gonna burn?

we are born unworthy of salvation and ordered to force ourselves to believe something we can't. well i dont accept we are born doomed, just born.

if you want to believe that you are born unworthy that's fine. that's your right, but i must say, its weird to think that way

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

well why in the hell is my car burning?

why is the default my car is gonna burn?

we are born unworthy of salvation and ordered to force ourselves to believe something we can't. well i dont accept we are born doomed, just born.

if you want to believe that you are born unworthy that's fine. that's your right, but i must say, its weird to think that way

The car is going to burn because you did something wrong. Maybe you left the hot cigarette lighter on the floor. Maybe you tried to put in a car stereo and screwed up the wires.

You are born just fine. It's what you do between birth and death that condemns you. Your actions, no one else's.

If someone throws you a life line to help you out from the problem you caused, and you refuse that help, that also is on you, no one else.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

so i can ignore christianity completely, be a good person and somehow go to heaven? doesn't sound like the scripture that was beaten into my head as a child.

id just like to add christ says the only way to the lord it thru me. dont quote me on it but ill stand corrected if im wrong. my scripture is a bit rusty

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

so i can ignore christianity completely, be a good person and somehow go to heaven? doesn't sound like the scripture that was beaten into my head as a child.

Absolutely. The definition of a "good person" is one who has never sinned once. Not even a lie. If you can do that you are just fine. You only need help once you make a mistake.

Christians complained about this billboard and atheists preaching to them in this thread and now they are preaching to us. LOL.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
Christians complained about this billboard and atheists preaching to them in this thread and now they are preaching to us. LOL.

Can you show me where I preached to anyone? My very first post was my saying I respect their right to have this billboard. Lies were then stated. I corrected those lies. Every time you and the others responding have no response for my post you just change the subject and try to make the argument something else. If you have no desire to know Christianity then do not post as if you do. If you post about Christianity, and what you post is false, I will correct it. I would hope your desire to deny ignorance, would extend to all subjects, and that you would prefer to not be a Christian without posting falsehoods, and instead not be a Christian while posting the truth. Am I mistaken?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Funny how they say being good isn't tied to religion, but then say people should skip church as if it angers the ignorant and hypocrite Atheist, and by stating it, destroys any possible consideration by others that their statement was valid.

Believers trying to think atheist always comes out as ridiculous.

The message is simple, and directed at "closet atheists". Those who still go through the motions, for whatever reason (family, parents, co-workers, etc).

Trying to make it more then that is just stupid.

This shows that Atheists are angry, and they will let those who go to church, who believe in Christ know that they are not happy about that and so they call for people to skip church.
I would say that covers it plain as day there Lady

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Funny how they say being good isn't tied to religion, but then say people should skip church as if it angers the ignorant and hypocrite Atheist, and by stating it, destroys any possible consideration by others that their statement was valid.

Believers trying to think atheist always comes out as ridiculous.

The message is simple, and directed at "closet atheists". Those who still go through the motions, for whatever reason (family, parents, co-workers, etc).

Trying to make it more then that is just stupid.

This shows that Atheists are angry, and they will let those who go to church, who believe in Christ know that they are not happy about that and so they call for people to skip church.
I would say that covers it plain as day there Lady

I'm gonna say it again.

Believers who try to think atheist sound ridiculous.