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originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: Revolution9
Beautiful thread brother
I always knew Ebenezer is real, I work for him.
originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: uncommitted
"Fagin. Fagin /ˈfeɪjɪn/ is a fictional character: an antagonist of the Charles Dickens novel Oliver Twist. In the preface to the novel he is described as a "receiver of stolen goods", but within the text he is more frequently identified as the "merry old gentleman" or simply "the Jew."."
Charles Dickens was definitely stereotyping deliberately reflecting his and the genral attitude to Jews in Christian Victorian Britain.
The fact that Dickens gave Ebenezer such a Jewish name, no Christian would have had a name like that, alongside him being a money lender (literary allusion to Shylock) with a Jewish partner "Marley", is quite a basis for a ;literary debate on this don't you think.
Yes, sinister by today's standards, but not by the standards of tradition. I have already pointed out with clear examples the prevalence of Jewish negative caricature in English Literature. Literature captures the times and the attitudes. There is no judgment. It was like that and art captured and reflected it.
It would be a ludicrous stance to take if I stopped reading books from the past because of their negative attitudes by today's standards. It will not stop me from appreciating any of these works. It is good to examine and analyse them afresh according to current values though.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Revolution9
The vision brought by "Christmas Past" shows Scrooge enthusiastically celebrating Christmas as a young man.
It is the hardening of his character as he ages that takes him away from Christmas.
originally posted by: intrptr
Scrooge is an ad for christmas.
Oh, you don't partake of that ritual?
"Scrooooge!"
originally posted by: Revolution9
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For an extra bit of info: The name "Marley" is a Jewish surname. It is known among Jews that Bob Marley was half Jewish. His Dad was Norval Marley;
"Robert Nesta Marley was born on the farm of his maternal grandfather in Nine Mile, Saint Ann Parish, Jamaica, to Norval Sinclair Marley (1885–1955) and Cedella Booker (1926–2008).[8] Norval Marley was a British-born European-Jamaican from Sussex England, whose family had Syrian Jewish origins."
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