Iraq gives a 48 hour deadline to Turkey move out from Iraq

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge


Never mind the mobile Topol-M which are just as scary and more so as they cant be located and are twice as accurate.

So you proved my point they would need a lot of them to do any damage to the oil market. As I said 1000 sorties would be better and not be the big oh they used a nuke response.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge


Never mind the mobile Topol-M which are just as scary and more so as they cant be located and are twice as accurate.

So you proved my point they would need a lot of them to do any damage to the oil market. As I said 1000 sorties would be better and not be the big oh they used a nuke response.

Not at all...you must have missed my post that stated the radiated area would render areas unworkable that are MANY times larger than the blast radius damage.

originally posted by: princeofpeace

LOL who is going to work there? We were just talking blast effects not radiation. If those folks are that hard up for work they can try to work the fields if they want but they wont survive more than a few days (and thats in a LOT larger area than you depict on the map).

Stop grabbing for straws I proved my point and you were wrong with your not too bright "they will nuke the fields" idea...lol Your 50 miles of 600 MPH super heated winds just not going to happen, I think your confused with mount Saint Helens

originally posted by: schuyler
Turkey has the 10th largest army in the world. Iraq's army is a joke. Ask any GI who tried to train them. Iraq has F-16s? So does Turkey. And Turkey is a part of NATO. Iraq's ultimatum has no teeth and the Turks can continue to do what they like in Northern Iraq.

That is because US/NATO destroyed more than half the army of Iraq during two wars. Turkey can try, but once they touch Iran then all hell becomes lose.

originally posted by: bjarneorn

originally posted by: MrSpad
The problem for Iraq is even if the Turks pull out they can still leave advisers and tons of weapons making the Kurds and Sunnis a real problem for Iraq.

Big question here is, ISIS. I mean, they don't look much ... off hand, without the MSM and the beheadings, I'd think they were the sunni's trying to carve their own land.

But, their alignment with Turkey doesn't add up ... their disagreement, probably ... I'm guessing here ... dates back to the gulf war. Where both Kurds and Shia are their enemies. I doubt they "easily" forgive ...

So, ISIS as sunni doesn't add up ... and turks aiding "sunni iraqi's" doesn't add up either. And the most compelling question here, is why the Russians are siding with the Shia's. The US and NATO coalition has been getting aid from the shia groups in the middle east, ever since 1990's. The US/NATO trade "aid" in the middle east, for position in the balkans ... those are the "shiia" site of the fence, aren't they?

It all gets pretty complex. ISIS is ISIS, for a time of the initial blitz against Baghdad the Sunnis' along with Saddam's old officer corps worked with ISIS. They hoped to toppled the Shia dominated Iraqi gov. Likely had the succeeded, fighting between the Sunnis/Saddams Officers vs ISIS would have broken out over what type of Iraq the gov would be. Since they failed, the Iraqi Sunnis did not really begin fighting ISIS until ISIS started going nuts with crazy laws and killings in the cities. Things finally got bad enough the Sunni's started forming militias to fight ISIS as well but, they have been mostly ignored by the Iraqi gov. So the went to the Kurds and the Turks. Now with the way things have been going in Iraq the Kurds, Iraqi gov, Sunni's and Turks all see ISIS as on its way out and no longer a real threat. So they have all began planning for post ISIS power struggles. So you will have the Sunni's and Kurds backed by the Turks on one side and the Iraqi gov backed by Iran on the other.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: MrSpad
There is nothing that can be done if the Turks choose not leave. The Shia Iraqi forces in the area have failed to take Mosul leading to the former police and military forces of Mosul (Sunnis) along with the Kurds turned to the Turks to provide aid in retaking the city. The Iraqis of course do not want Sunni's and Kurds taking Mosul.

However for Iraq to do anything they would have to engage Sunni Iraqi forces and Kurdish forces that working with the Turks. That would lead to and end of cooperation between the Kurds and Iraq and Sunni militias and Iraq and likely start a civil war.

And no Iran and Russia would be no help, they are over extended just trying keep Assad propped up.

I am not sure what you are on about.

Over extended ??

Iran and Russia have not even begun extending anything, it is the USA which is over extended.

You can just rewrite everything you said, run it through a proper information clearing house and realize that all is going according to plan.

WW3 is being carefully crafted, and everyone who believes the propaganda is going to be real busy, 1000 times busier than usual, trying to keep up simulating scenarios in their minds.

Most of the Russian Army is made up of 1 year conscripts who can be deployed because they are not ready for combat and they do not have enough time on their enlistments after training. This leaves Russia with small professional force that had a hard time keeping up deployments in Crimea and Ukraine without stripping training units of cadre. So yes Russia is over extended and they know it. As for the US 95% of its current active forces are currently in the US and not deployed along with National Guard and Reserves. And if WW3 is coming than nobody in Russia or the US is doing anything to get ready for it.

If it kicks off then Erdogan will no doubt claim he had a dream in which Allah told him to do it for islam.

In reality it's probably IS that have told him to do it so they can attack Iraq on 2 fronts within it's own borders.

Don't worry, Putin won't allow it - in fact here he comes, right now....

i.imgur.com...

An interesting development reported by my country version of New Russia news...

Iraq reports that along with the turks who invaded IRAQ, another 800 arabs and germans also accompanied them.

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drop the link into google translate

Today the deadline ends and Iraq will atempt to "move them out". If they resist, Russia will also contribute to "kick them" out".

a reply to: tonycodes

It may have something to do with wanting to annex Mosul and grab the adjacent oil fields plus wanting to build a Turkey to Qatar pipeline. Link

600 troops seems a bit small to annex Mosul but who knows. The Turks can be tough cookies.

a reply to: ispyed

read by above comment, news now report 1400 overall troops (turks, arabs and germans)

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Turkey has less than 200 F-16s. That is their best front line fighter. They have another 50 F-4s. Russia has 2000 SU-27 Alone that would out-fly and fight a Falcon any day lol. Not to mention the Mig 29s or the SU-30 Plus series.

Turkey has about 340 thousand in their armed forces to Russia's 741 thousand with 2 million in reserve.

Russia has more main battle tanks in reserve than Turkey can field total.

Russia would flat beat them like a pit bull beats a puddle LMAO. Turkey would have no air cover in the second day of fighting as the skies would look like a swamp filled with Russian mosquitoes.

Yes! NATO wants Russia to pull all its troops, tanks, and aircraft from the Polish and Ukrainian borders so they can drive straight to Moscow! At least, that is what Russia had better assume. Russia has as many troops in Syria as it can afford. To attack Turkey, they would need to go through Bulgaria or Georgia and Azerbaijan. The best they could do is shell coastal cities with their Black Sea fleet... until it gets sunk.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66

I wasn't talking about Assad. You want to see Erdogan go down? Bet on the USA.

I dont really want any of them gone. It is not up to me, it is up to the People of Turkey to vote... In or Out.


Erdogan's regime is exactly what the US need right now. The US need someone to make the agressive moves so that the US can play out its policies in Syria. WHat Turkey are doing in Iraq is probably instigated and supported by the US and NATO. Not directly, but indirectly. The US cant be cought being directly involved since they are claiming to be fight ISIS only. The US cant be openly accused of creating problems for Russia who are also fighting ISIS. That would not look good for the US.

What do you guys think? Is this source credible?

Turkey secretly building an ISIS airbase near Mosul.

If it's true, then it does not look good for USA and NATO.

originally posted by: ispyed

600 troops seems a bit small to annex Mosul but who knows. The Turks can be tough cookies.

I spent some time with the Kurds and they can be some real bad asses. Their area in north Iraq looks more like something out of Europe than the Middle East. They should have been a country of their own back when France and the Brits split up the region we see today.

So, it´s 48hrs later, isn´t it?

Turkish replied to threats from IRAQ and they said : " Its mine now " - they are not going anywhere.

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As for how many forces they got, here is a 2 weeks old video in detail.

breaking news just now : The deadline ended and Iraq requested from Iran and Russia to come in and move them out (oficial)

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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
What do you guys think? Is this source credible?

Turkey secretly building an ISIS airbase near Mosul.

If it's true, then it does not look good for USA and NATO.

If this is true, it is sickening. Here we have Turkey talking about how Russia should respect Turkish aboarders and airspace and than they go and do this themselves..... jesse's.

Well they would be sitting ducks if Russia descides to throw them out. And NATO cant do a damn thing about it. ANd the US would be politely observing Russian bashing from Turkish airbases.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

What do you guys think? Is this source credible?

Absolutely not. Why would Turkey build an air base for a group that has no airplanes? Veterans Today is a crypto-Fascist propaganda site.

a reply to: spy66

If this is true, it is sickening. Here we have Turkey talking about how Russia should respect Turkish aboarders and airspace and than they go and do this themselves..... jesse's.

It's veternastoday, so you know it's not true. When Turkey promised to shoot the next plane that violated their airspaace they did. Iraq has threatened to throw Turkey oat and has done nothing. The score is now 2-0, Turkey

Well they would be sitting ducks if Russia descides to throw them out. And NATO cant do a damn thing about it. ANd the US would be politely observing Russian bashing from Turkish airbases.

Russia doesn't dare risk escalating the situation with Turkey. Iraq is on their own. Their only chance is to draw Iran in, and that may be what Turkey is trying to get them to do.