Why Does Violence Continue To Persist In The Human Species?

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Your right people have a tendency to dehumanize other people from other groups based on the human divisions that exist and the language that we use to describe other groups of people.

Although, I'm not sure If I would say that dehumanization is the source of violent behavior... It's definitely a major factor into the equation for sure.

a reply to: Puppylove

I think most of us would devote our leisurely time to what ever passions we have. That would keep most people occupied for years.

When you bring E.Ts into the picture your applying human characteristics to them, there's a high probability that they may exhibit entirely different; perceptions of morality,cultural values and socially acceptable behavior. Trolling may not be something E.Ts exhibit. I do not know for certain either way but what I do know is I doubt humanity if given the time to develop space travel and observe other primitive societies, I don't think we'd be sticking our noses just any where for "#es and giggles."

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: Puppylove

I think most of us would devote our leisurely time to what ever passions we have. That would keep most people occupied for years.

Most people would. But you forget that for a lot of people, pushing boundaries, and stepping on toes, and harming others, and demonstrating control and superiority over others IS their passions that they spend their leisurely time doing.

As for the aliens thing, I'm not anthropomorphizing them. I'm basing my opinion on humanity and the other animals on our planet that have developed high mental acuity. There's an obvious pattern to mental evolution.

I find it more unlikely an alien species has evolved in some bizarre contrary fashion to the way the patters have demonstrated life to have evolved on earth. Life and evolution is unlikely to be too extremely different on other planets.

I think people push the "alien" means completely bizarre and different mental evolution too far. It's not necessarily so.

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator

With all the recent crimes against humanity that have occurred in recent months, I've always wondered why exactly do we see these atrocious events continue to take place. Even when the sensationalized media isn't reporting an event of ridiculous violent proportions, this stuff still goes on. Now a disclaimer for those who vehemently disagree with my opinion on violence, I'm more than likely wrong so I advise anyone/everyone reading to fact check.

Now the reactions that the public has in regards to violent events, whether it be; Terrorism,slaying of LEOs, LEOs killing young people,rape/sexual assault (of men and women) and/or armed robbery, The reactions always tend to be from the majority opinions in populations of the public. Whom politicize a segment(s) of the event to fit their own version of reality. Of course not everyone falls for it, which is why you'll have alternative info sources voluntarily putting their own narrative into current events(e.g Right Wing Org, Young Turks) although that it isn't much better than what MSM sources do.


The media doesn't even have to spoon feed the words to the public anymore, people are already jumping to conclusions and filling in the missing blank spots with their personal preconceived ideals of reality like a #ing mad-lib. This often tends to happen when people lack the proper information and/or facts to coherently form a cogent,logical summary of the event(s) in question.
With much of the information accessible by the public, much of it has been filtered or altered by the owners or majority holders to fit a particular perspective to get us to fill in the blanks our selves with whatever personal scapegoat we have. Many than began to start with an already biased state of affairs, however to began deducing the motive of any person or group from that perspective is an illogical endeavor as you lack the proper information to formulate an objective opinion.

Getting back to the topic at hand,
if we look at this from an evolutionary psychological perspective. We began to see why exactly violence is such an active behavior, traits that promote aggressive behavior are usually inherited by those whose parents were more than likely aggressive themselves or inherited similar traits, right?
Aggression was also a survival tactic as well as mood to show your displeasure, it's predominately found in human males(in part due to testosterone, although female humans can be just as aggressive) and since human males were primarily the protectors (due to them being the predominant inheritors of aggressive behavioral traits)of their tribes,family and primitive hominid societies.
For males this helped with sexual competition, killing females or other males for sexual infidelity. It also helps with societal competition, to assert ones dominance over another. For females humans, in the distant past(and some still today in some form) found this to be an attractive trait in male humans as it meant to the female human that her and her offspring stood a greater chance of survival; E.g Greater access to resources in comparison to lesser aggressive males, Offspring in their youth are at a reduced risk of being harmed by other males or animal species. Overall it was sign to the female that aggressive males had better traits for survival.

Why? To make people compliant towards the machines and transhumans that will be taking over. Tactic is to let the media saturate the general public with pictures and sound bytes of awful and absurd human actions and make it appear its prevailant. The weak minded join in on the taboo or awful thus adding more numbers towards prevalence, and the strong minded grow sick in their hearts with the realization nothing can be done and its all going to hell. When enough of the strong are sick hearted and paranoid enough, transhumans and machines appear as promising messiahs.

We really aren't this way. Proof is in the prevalence of PTSD and mental issues from trauma, even bullying. At our roots human beings are kind hearted, beautiful, loving, compassionate, emotional, sensitive and intelligent. They have to do it this way so it looks like we are screwed up and we accept we are screwed up, getting most to look forward to the end. Or and end time or war. Then the machines come.

a reply to: Puppylove

True very true...I did forget about that. If we were to give people like that a productive outlet as a substitute.It's possible the need to harm others in reality could be reduced significantly somehow by providing these people a need in which harming others is an acceptable outlet. Maybe we could generate a huge 3D simulation of reality in which they can do whatever they want without really harming anyone in the reality we currently share?

As for the aliens thing, I'm not anthropomorphizing them. I'm basing my opinion on humanity and the other animals on our planet that have developed high mental acuity. There's an obvious pattern to mental evolution.

In the next sentence you than make the basis of your opinion on one aspect of the human form, isn't that kind of a contradictory statement in regards to what you said prior to that? I'm must be over analyzing again.

I find it more unlikely an alien species has evolved in some bizarre contrary fashion to the way the patters have demonstrated life to have evolved on earth.

Why? Is it just hard to conceptualize the unlimited possibilities that lifeforms can evolve into? I can see all kinds of ways life could survive in some of the harshest of environments.
Species who can survive in the deepest parts of the ocean come in vastly different shapes,sizes and function of their biology in comparison to mammals who live in swamps and marshes.

Could you explain why exactly you don't think exo planets couldn't support life with extreme variances in biological evolution in comparison to our own? I'm sure we would have a lot of similarities between beings on another planet, after all we do live in the same universe.

Our spirit is born into the flesh
And the weakness of the flesh
Enslaves the spirit

Our bodies are evil
They have uncontrollable urges
Fear
Anger
Greed
Lust
Revenge
These do not come from the spirit
It is the body that does them
The flesh
It is our flesh that kills
Because the spirit was enslaved

This is God's design
Sometimes our hearts defile us
Be weary of your heart
This is were sin comes from
The heart comes with the flesh

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: stormbringer1701

because contrary to overly optimistic expectations humans are not evolving into enlightenment or some sort of mythical advanced being. we are the same as we ever were. mankind cannot perfect itself. we are not going to evolve into godhood either.

How does having a pessimistic view of the human species help improve the quality of the human race? I don't see how it does, I'm hoping the human race could evolve for the better, we each need to put effort into that objective by reducing aggression and promoting empathy and altruism. It would have to be a collective effort, although you're probably more than right humanity is not evolving to some enlightened state of being.

humans are born fallen. we are encased in animal flesh and awash with animal lusts. Humanity above all animals does have a choice in whether we indulge our lusts or not. That is what differentiates mankind from other animals. But to discipline or mortify our flesh nature requires that we cultivate in ourselves our higher nature. But without some moral framework to do so there is no reason other than fear of being caught and punished to cause most to refrain from doing evil. This is why mass killers often end in suicide before they can be caught. they think they have escaped judgement. It is sad but for many they won't do right just because it is right but only grudgingly owing to the threat of mortal punishment. You see these people who have done wrong only express remorse when they have been caught and justice is about to happen. remorse when apprehended is not an expression of conscious. someone with a higher nature does not require exposure to public knowledge of their deeds or impending judgement by peers in order to repent evil acts.

in short; higher evolution is not a matter of reproduction. it is an inner discipline. and it is currently in vogue in this decadent age to discourage it.

originally posted by: charlyv
Most violence has religious underpinnings.
Most people have not figured out how manipulated they are, and use it to breed hatred, and then use it for the justification.

Use it as are OFF THE HOOK; someone else can be blamed.

Romans 2:29

No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person's praise is not from other people, but from God.

Second witness:

Duet 30:6

The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

Third Witness

2 Corinthians 3:6

He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.

The letter of the law kills because no one can be perfect under it and all fail under the law and require the prescribed penalty for failing the slightest jot of it. But the spirit of the law is everlasting life. This means that the law that kills also justified Jesus' role as redeemer. But also it means that the Law is a wonderful teacher of the heart because if the heart is trained by it then the heart follows it out of love for our fellow man.

romans 13:9

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

romans 13:10

Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Galations 5:14

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

originally posted by: stormbringer1701
because contrary to overly optimistic expectations humans are not evolving into enlightenment or some sort of mythical advanced being. we are the same as we ever were. mankind cannot perfect itself. we are not going to evolve into godhood either.

So you are an evolution denier ?

We are certainly capable of major change, something other than Human Nature, is keeping us under lock and key.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: stormbringer1701
because contrary to overly optimistic expectations humans are not evolving into enlightenment or some sort of mythical advanced being. we are the same as we ever were. mankind cannot perfect itself. we are not going to evolve into godhood either.

So you are an evolution denier ?

We are certainly capable of major change, something other than Human Nature, is keeping us under lock and key.

No i do not deny evolution. I do deny that humans are evolving into some sort of futuristic enlightened utopian form. we are no different than people from 15000 years ago. our animalistic nature is the same as it ever was. our only step toward an "evolved" mentality is up to our ability to ignore or surpress or channel our baser instincts. This is not up to genetic selection. if it was then we'd be screwed because the natural selective pressures have mostly been done away with in our current civilization.

a reply to: NateTheAnimator

No such thing as evolution it is an unproven theory to this day.

a reply to: Saylesie17

I have talked to one of the most renowned men in the world no names but he english guess what he says it must have been some ancient alien race, I said who created them he had no answer, so he does not know but I know.

originally posted by: piney
Our spirit is born into the flesh
And the weakness of the flesh
Enslaves the spirit

Our bodies are evil
They have uncontrollable urges
Fear
Anger
Greed
Lust
Revenge
These do not come from the spirit
It is the body that does them
The flesh
It is our flesh that kills
Because the spirit was enslaved

This is God's design
Sometimes our hearts defile us
Be weary of your heart
This is were sin comes from
The heart comes with the flesh

This is ones EGO talking is all.

a reply to: NateTheAnimator
A truly sick mind, a person without empathy, they do exist, they no long see or feel compassion for their fellow man. They see all others as inferior and less than human, more like viewing them as animals. If you look at some of the genocides and mass murders in the past, the serial killers, and started looking at the propaganda, the rhetoric and the psychological profiles of such, one can quickly see that is being a large contributing factor.

Even the kings and queens of old, along with the church in the middle ages, the view of the peasant, was that person was inferior somehow and did not deserve the common decensy or even compassion of being human.

If more people started to view others as human beings, that being the sheer commonality that is with us all, where the violence goes away, then what is left, we would look as such as being a truly sick mind.

It is the enigma of service to self .vs. service to others.

Most would think that service to others is the true righteous path.

However, the proof exists that you cannot truly change the way others think, or conduct their lives. You can trick people into believing what you say and organizing them... however, that certainly does not serve, or "empower" them.

You need to heal and enlighten your self first. Service to self, not necessarily in a material way, but really service to your spirit.

Service to others would then become sharing how you accomplished that.

Hey there. You've got a great, well written thread and perspective: Are you familiar with the idea of a CS: Control system?

Perhaps you should research this particular perspective. I used to ask the kind of questions you are asking here. I used to buy into everything I was taught about where we are and how things work. And then several things in my life's perspective and experiences changed, dramatically, causing me to fundamentally question everything I had once accepted as true.

so, I turn you to that discovery now, in answer to your question, as I've asked the very same question for a very long time. I think our society, and we, as people, are largely controlled and manipulated. I don't espouse this particular view because I wish to escape some responsibility in life for my own actions, but because I'm trying to make sense of memory, life experience and knowledge: And it doesn't make sense for me in any other way.

I say that frankly and truthfully. And it's important and cogent to your questions, which I find penultimate, and questions I have lived to ask and tried to answer, every single day, myself.

Why do we suffer? Why does it seem we need controls upon us because we can't seem to live peacefully, without hurting one another?

With all the industrialized solutions we have available to us now through our knowlege of science, why can't we solve our agression towards one another?

I have arrived at the solution that hereabouts, this problem is manipulated in order to introduce feaux issues to us, as a society, to introduce faux solutions, if you will, to give everyone a purpose to try to solve those issues, that are artificially created……
JMHO.
That's how money is made.
That's the justification for our existence, even while negating its very virture, viability……while even wasting it: our existence and essence of life.
regards,
tetra

P.S. by the way, I tried flag your thread, hit the button too many times, and produced a "fail," but you, for asking these particular questions, are anything but…...