Air Force drone pilots expose U.S. government of murder.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Belgianbloke
Zerohedge is a propaganda site. Looking at the articles is evidence enough of that. Coupled with its manifesto...


I asked where you were from for reference.

Reference to what lol? To find out my geographical allegiance?

I don't side with party's, we've been over this. It's not because i support Russian actions in some events I am to be considered PRO-Russian.

I blame the US government for a lot of crap, mainly because of the weight it has on the world. You can't act like the world police and then not hold accountability for the screw ups you produce.

IF the Belgium government does something stupid, only us Belgians are effected.
if the USA screws up, it ripples trough the world and EVERYONE is effected.

a reply to: Belgianbloke

I asked where you were from for reference and not the bs you just claimed and attributed to me / assumed.

You guys really need to knock that off.

a reply to: Xcathdra

But reference to what? I'm curious :d

a reply to: Belgianbloke

As the question implied where you are from / live.

originally posted by: stuthealien
they joined up and are required to kill sometimes that's the job do not sign up unless you are prepared to kill.
...
again if you join the military expect to have to kill or get a job at mc donalds flipping burgers or maybe flower arranging

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Can you kill a human simply because your government tells you to?

If your in the military and they say you do then yes you do.

You take an oath to obey the orders given to you.

originally posted by: stevieray

When you join the military, you are signing up to kill when necessary, when those with infinitely more knowledge than you deem it necessary.

So by joining the military, it gives you a licence to kill when ordered to, which should never be questioned and can never be considered murder, because the orders come from someone above you with infinite more knowledge and is therefore sanctioned as such.
Are the orders given by God by any chance?

The way I see unquestioned obedience like this, is that it's just an excuse for people to not feel guilty about exerting violence upon others when told to.

With a mentality like this, it's no wonder that Americans are frowned upon or even downright hated more and more by the rest of the world.
However, just keep it up to confirm that image to the rest of us.
Also, please label me now as a progressive, metrosexual liberal hippy or anything more creative you can think of.
I simply don't care.

US service members are required to obey Lawful orders. If an unlawful order is obeyed then the service member can be prosecuted for his/her actions along with the commanding officer. One example is the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam war. The soldiers that participated in the massacre, by following orders, were prosecuted along with their commanding officer.

Of course if the law makers, ie US Congress, find an unlawful order 'politically correct' then they will wave prosecution.

a reply to: eManym

now if only congress had anything to do with the authority of the other branch of government - the judicial.

a reply to: Tyrion79

yes when you join the military you agree to defend or attack if they can not handle that try flower arranging.
no the orders are given by their commanding officer that is the job requirement not god as you claim
the military is not for holding hands and singing while dancing around a totem pole it is a hard job and requires a hard mindset

if they have a problem do not sign up its that simple ,they where not forced to join .

i will not label you as anything ,but you do not seem to understand the job of the military.
and that is to kill if required fullstop.

i am not american

originally posted by: Belgianbloke

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Belgianbloke
Zerohedge is a propaganda site. Looking at the articles is evidence enough of that. Coupled with its manifesto...


I asked where you were from for reference.

Reference to what lol? To find out my geographical allegiance?

I don't side with party's, we've been over this. It's not because i support Russian actions in some events I am to be considered PRO-Russian.

I blame the US government for a lot of crap, mainly because of the weight it has on the world. You can't act like the world police and then not hold accountability for the screw ups you produce.

IF the Belgium government does something stupid, only us Belgians are effected.
if the USA screws up, it ripples trough the world and EVERYONE is effected.

And when the US burns their treasure, lives, time to save your from Hitler, Stalin, the Serbian maniac, the Romanian lunatic, Putin, islamic terrorism....you can thank us very much lol. Enjoy the EU for another year, we'll probably have to help you when that dissolves into social and economic chaos, too.

originally posted by: Tyrion79

originally posted by: stuthealien
they joined up and are required to kill sometimes that's the job do not sign up unless you are prepared to kill.
...
again if you join the military expect to have to kill or get a job at mc donalds flipping burgers or maybe flower arranging

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Can you kill a human simply because your government tells you to?

If your in the military and they say you do then yes you do.

You take an oath to obey the orders given to you.

originally posted by: stevieray

When you join the military, you are signing up to kill when necessary, when those with infinitely more knowledge than you deem it necessary.

So by joining the military, it gives you a licence to kill when ordered to, which should never be questioned and can never be considered murder, because the orders come from someone above you with infinite more knowledge and is therefore sanctioned as such.
Are the orders given by God by any chance?

The way I see unquestioned obedience like this, is that it's just an excuse for people to not feel guilty about exerting violence upon others when told to.

With a mentality like this, it's no wonder that Americans are frowned upon or even downright hated more and more by the rest of the world.
However, just keep it up to confirm that image to the rest of us.
Also, please label me now as a progressive, metrosexual liberal hippy or anything more creative you can think of.
I simply don't care.

You are severely lacking in logic on this. Nice heaping helping of emotion and snark however.

If you know that you're being ordered illegally, you fight it.

If you simply don't like it, or think you know more than generals and the leaders of America who have intel you'll never know.....you probably shouldn't act the fool. These 4 guys a great example.

Killing is part of war, which most often comes from trying to stop man's inhumanity to man. WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam conflict, ME conflicts, Cold War. All to stop abuses by madmen.

Don't need to call you names. Only make note of your complete lack of logic or reason so far.

originally posted by: Granite
"I am good at killing people" - BHO

Yet another bald-faced lie.
He's good at ordering other people to kill.
Him personally, my granddaughter could whip his scrawny ass.

The truth is breaking out all over about how we do the precise opposite of what we say.
When Arabs refer to America as the Great Satan I can't really argue with them.
It's not the people of the US but the psychopaths in control that are as bad as any Nazi ever was.
They aren't leaving peacefully either folks.
Not leaving us with any choices is a poor idea for everyone.

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: stuthealien

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: stuthealien

again if you join the military expect to have to kill or get a job at mc donalds flipping burgers or maybe flower arranging

Killing someone or flipping burgers?

I'll flip burgers.......

see i'm fine with your choice but those who join the military and then complain about killing are wrong .
but you have not joined and are serving food which is good as i expect us real men could do with a burger when on leave

Can you kill a human simply because your government tells you to?

yes that is the job requirement i would not hesitate

You sound like the perfect pawn.

*shakes head*

Your kind is the reason we continue perpetual war.

This is not a valid comeback. You can't "defeat" a logical, reasoned argument solely with your private, personal finger wagging and head shaking and snarky dismissiveness.

Well, not in the real world that most adults inhabit. Maybe wherever you're posting from.

Well that is just like your opinion, man.



not sure if sarcasm... or?

lol, my post was 100 % serious.

Your reply is right out of Bill & Ted. Thus, I started to think that your whole series of posts was spoofing the liberal mindset.

Sorry bro, I don't war hawk like a boss.

First of all, I'm not a liberal, and second of all mindless wars are pretty stupid. Problem?

is your name stevieray because you are blind to logic?

You certainly are a liberal if you can't even admit that some wars are necessary to avoid a greater tragedy, or claim that anybody who knows this is "hawking war".

That's supremely illogical.

I agree, mindless wars are definitely stupid. And bad. Hitler, Hussein, Milosevic, Mussolini, Hirohito, ISIS, AQ, Taliban, Boko Haram come to mind. Not so much American attempts to stop them.

a reply to: eXia7

Your kind is the reason we continue perpetual war.

incorrect i have never started a war in my life so your reasoning is flawed before you start.

will i defend against people who wish to take away our freedom yes even your freedom to make stupid arguments.

Next thing they will be charged for spying for exposing America to Americans.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
This is one hell of a charge to lay at the feet of President Obama.

I really don't care for Obama....But Murder ?

Better have some damn good evidence...

Yeah, there's no proof out there that any American president has ever murdered anyone.

Define murder? What was murder again??

a reply to: Tyrion79

So by joining the military, it gives you a licence to kill when ordered to

Yes, because when told to kill there is a damn good reason...they don't just go out to kill innocent civilians, unlike other military's civilian casualties are kept at a minimum if possible. As this is war civilian deaths are expected, which is the sad result of war.

Good example the fact the US isn't making the same progress Russia is in Syria is because we are cognizant of civilians and not trying to kill them.

Are the orders given by God by any chance?

I guess somewhere there is someone who considers Obama god like so that could be true.

The way I see unquestioned obedience like this, is that it's just an excuse for people to not feel guilty about exerting violence upon others when told to.

I can imagine what the military would look like then...



What you call obedience is what they call discipline.

With a mentality like this, it's no wonder that Americans are frowned upon or even downright hated more and more by the rest of the world.

Until we are needed for something...hasn't changed in decades, why should it now.

You certainly are a liberal if you can't even admit that some wars are necessary to avoid a greater tragedy, or claim that anybody who knows this is "hawking war".

That's supremely illogical.

I agree, mindless wars are definitely stupid. And bad. Hitler, Hussein, Milosevic, Mussolini, Hirohito, ISIS, AQ, Taliban, Boko Haram come to mind. Not so much American attempts to stop them.

Only an uneducated fool would believe that any and every war since the beginning of time have been about taxable land and natural resources, plain and simple. Every lie you have been taught in school is simply the rationale used to get the population onboard. Only today we fight for energy sources and pipelines to transport them, and to forcefully keep markets open to our mass produced consumer goods. It is that simple.

This whole Syria conflict was and still is about a pipeline to transfer more energy to Europe with mostly NATO member state's energy companies reaping the rewards. The obstacle was Assad. The lie, umm excuse, umm bread they throw to you in the Colosseum? first was the leader was mass murdering his people (we all bought that lie for Ghaddafi didnt we?) Then it was chemical weapons (oops it actually turned out to be rebels and even had a Turkish connection) and at this point they dont even need to bother. They just say really we just need him gone.

If you ever believed our involvement in any war, including both world wars was for any righteous cause other than to line the pockets of industrial and financial powerhouses owned by many of the same handful of families for centuries now, than you may not have the entire history of what makes a country move through time. Thats easily forgiven though, it is intentionally hidden away by these same families for a good reason. Its hard to justify war and slaughter of entire lands when the population that supports it knows the truth.

Kind of like what is going on today with more and more information about how daesh is funded and supplied by NATO and Sharia allies in the Middle East. See how people start not supporting such acts, and side with the traditional adversaries because they are at least not stooping that low AND bold face lying about the entire theater.

See how that works?? When it is not so easy to hide the truth in the modern world, it is more and more difficult to maintain a pacified and cooperative population, as opposed to the empires and war of old when the flow of information was strictly controlled by the powers with effective means as cutting out the tongues and gouging out the eyeballs of scholars and scribes.

Of course now it is digital and has become war of its own, an information war.

take at look todays paper they are required to do a job it may not be liked but needs doing

isis threaten the west
including the u.s.a
this can not be solved by doing nothing wake the hell up

a reply to: stuthealien

its not drones flying over Syria. The drone strikes are in Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and quietly as well in our Sharia allies on the Arabian peninsula. So do tell me how we can claim righteousness when our biggest allies in the region murder more of its own people for religious crimes and mere dissension and are the biggest funding source for the scourge we face??

You see how it really ends up boiling down money and land not not any actual ideology or humanitarian reasons?? Even what is going on now is merely the 'public spectacle' while the ruling families try to hammer out where the borders will be redrawn and who pays for the infrastructure and whos gets the mining/drilling/transportation rights to whatever.

originally posted by: stuthealien
...they are required to do a job it may not be liked but needs doing

That reasoning assumes that all military orders to kill are
lawful...

If you join a military where there requirement is to kill,
and the government orders you to kill innocent women and
children, and you do this without question, then YOU BECOME
the terrorist.

The most extreme example of this type of blind military obedience
in action led to the death of millions of innocent men, women, and
children at the direct order of the leader of the German military
...Hitler.

And finally when you join the military [which requires you to do
this job of "killing"] you are also required to (in the US military)
to take an oath to defend and uphold the constitution. So any
orders that violate any part of that oath MUST NOT BE followed.

You cannot take the humanity out of war. All soldiers must be
diligent that their orders to kill are lawful orders...lest WE
BECOME THE TERRORISTS