Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: SBargisen

What are you talking about? you don't know anything....

Turkey says they shot down a plane that violated its airspace 10 times with 10 warning. They also said if the plane bombed anything in that area they would be killing Turkman.

Russia is just denying they were in their airspace

Either way Russia should be more careful flying warplanes in Turkish areas because well.... they'll get shot down

What are you talking about mate? You know nothing.

Let's hold us strictly to the facts;

1) Turkey moved, yes, MOVED, their border INTO Syrian ground.
2) Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet. Shooting down a fighter jet merely strengthens the tensions.
3) Oil tankers were on the move TO Turkey, Russia bombed them. (They came from ISIS)
4) Why wouldn't ISIS be among the "turkman" ? Can you answer that?
5) If Russia only bombed "Turkmen", then why would they escalate the situation by shooting the Russian fighter jet pilots IN THE FREAKING AIR, IN THEIR PARACHUTES?!?

6) The FA shot down a helicopter from Russia, that were looking for the pilots.
7) Who trains AND supports the FA? (USA and Turkey.)
8) Assad is publically elected by the population. It's not like he took the country by force, and no, I do not condone to what he has done to rebels. But maybe it has been the only way, who knows. We for sure know, that US has supported the opposition of Assad with weapons etc.

9) IF Russia indeed were in their airspace, who knows, maybe there radios were malfunctioning for some reason. (could be many things.) Maybe Turkey didn't contact them, and merely shot them down, wouldn't be surprised.


And again, Turkey deserves whatever Russia does to them.

a reply to: victor7

Ukraine is not responsible for providing services to occupied territory. The occupying power is, which is Russia.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Belgianbloke

So US and Turkish aircraft cant talk to each other?

they can. There is a channel that all the involved parties are on. It is a channel mandated by international convention. It is how us assets overheard turkey's warning to the russian plane.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: angryhulk

You are ignoring the violations and turkish warnings from october.

But they downed the jet in Syria? We could go back and forth with this lunacy all day.

a reply to: SBargisen

Turkey didnt move their border.
Russia violated turkish airspace and ignored the warnings.
As a result a russian fighter jet was lawfully shot down.

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: angryhulk

You are ignoring the violations and turkish warnings from october.

But they downed the jet in Syria? We could go back and forth with this lunacy all day.

Since they violated turkish airspace the only lunacy is trying to defend russias violation.

originally posted by: victor7
Someone mentioned there are 3.5 million Turkmen in Syria fighting against Assad.

This is a blank check to Russians to avenge today's events.

RuAF should increase the bombing intensity on these factions by atleast 50%. Will Turki cross the airspace to come to defend these "degenerates" from getting bombed?

Shoulder to Air missiles and drones have been sent to Turkmen Brigaes and Chechen Brigades already have them .

Bomb away Mongolian Monkey , you bomb away and Turkmen shoot your planes down .

Kadirov will turn against Putin and that means bye bye to Caucasia & Dagestan for you Russians .

Perhaps turkey is covering for their proxies. The F-15 story may just be a cover to hide the anti air capabilities of their proxies in the ground.

Iow, russia may be claiming shot from ground, as it is true, in an attempt to show turksys material support of the daesh.

Seems plausible.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

Yeah the guard channel however in this case I think the awacs was in direct contact with the turks.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: angryhulk


Yes, Syrian Turkmen Rebels. The same ones that were shooting the pilots as they floated down from the sky.

Let me ask you , if pilot bombs your family to death and then parachutes to nearby .
No cops to call , no military to ask for protection . What would you do to that pilot who has killed your mom , dad , babies , aunties , sisters ?
I would kill him straight up .
If you have not been bombed by a war plane , would you understand how it feels ?


I don't think they like each other.

Russians support ASAD regime which has been killing Turkmens for faaaar too long . You are right , Turkmens don't like the Russians .


'Innocent' Turkmens, haha. Whilst they parade the streets with guns and anti-tank missiles waiting for an opportunity, like Turkey dropping a jet out the sky.

There are 3.5 million Turkmens in Syria and they are non ISIS . Everyone who needs to know this fact already does know this fact .
Except you .

You are a member citizen of a NATO country ; wake up , your kilt has been eyed upon by a hungry polar bear.

Well, right now Russia is carpet bombing Syria so if they don't want to be directly affected I suggest they leave, basically.

You want more refugees for Europe ?

Why didn't you say so !!!

You want Russians to defeat NATO and you also want more middle easteners arriving in EU .

Why ?

Why would you want this outcome ?

You think Russians are going to do some noble sh1te ?

They are there to get a say in how you heat your home in winter .

If they say you freeze this winter , you will freeze that winter .

You want this outcome ?

How much did ISIS attacks scared you ?

You got to be taking the mickey , you want to get into bed with a hungry bear , you will get hurt .

Lol, maybe you should be a bit more objective. Clearly you are a fan of Turkey, I don't know if you are a turk, but clearly looks like it.
I am from Europe, and I sincerely hope, that Turkey doesn't get away with this.
More refugees in Europe? Hardly. You seen how the population feels towards the refugees? Not particularly good. It's a matter of time before ALL borders in Europe are closed. Where will your turksmen go then, after Russia has dealt with you? Since you guys #ed up.

a reply to: ISawItFirst

Not at 6000 meters is not.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
3 perfectly lovely countries who murder their own citizens... Stellar company russia keeps..

Yes, I see ... you think Abu Grahib is the prime of US hospitality. Not to mention Fallujah, ISIS, Al Qaida, Al Nushra ... and so forth. Oh yeah ... great track record, used Nukes, chemical and biological agents in warfare.

Oh yeah, N.Korea ... absolutely, they kill their own.

It's in N.Korea, where those cops came to a crash side and so a guy standing on his feet, bloody after an accident and decided to tazer him to death, because he was so scary right? It's also, N.Korea, where this dude was shot to death on his own doorstep, because he was Black exchange student. Those N.Koreans, hate blacks ... geesh, yeah. And that's also where the homeless guy, was beat to death on a parking lot ... hey, who cares, right ... he was too skinny anyway, looked like something out of "the walking dead".

That's N.Korea right ... murdering their own people.

a reply to: Xcathdra

As i said if a us aircraft is downed over syria you guys would be making the same argument im making.

Oh but Xcathdra, don't you know?? Double standards.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: victor7
Someone mentioned there are 3.5 million Turkmen in Syria fighting against Assad.

This is a blank check to Russians to avenge today's events.

RuAF should increase the bombing intensity on these factions by atleast 50%. Will Turki cross the airspace to come to defend these "degenerates" from getting bombed?

Shoulder to Air missiles and drones have been sent to Turkmen Brigaes and Chechen Brigades already have them .

Bomb away Mongolian Monkey , you bomb away and Turkmen shoot your planes down .

Kadirov will turn against Putin and that means bye bye to Caucasia & Dagestan for you Russians .

You know Russia has nukes? You know what a nuke does? Bye bye Turkey.
- Is this what you want?

And no, if Russia starts a war with Turkey, Nato will do absolutely nothing about it. Why? They are cowards and knows that Russia has thousands of nukes. Who wishes for a nuclear apocalypse? Noone. If NATO decides to bomb Russia back to the stoneages, well.. Russia would NOT stand by idly, and simply watch. They would guaranteed bomb NATO right back. Whats left? Nothing. And what is left will slowly die to radiation sickness.
- If Russia bombs Turkey with nukes, nothing will be done, besides sanctions.

CNN is reporting Russian marine was killed during operation to rescue down pilots ofRussian bombers planes.This is getting dangerous.

a reply to: bjarneorn

No I am saying russia likes to support murdering regimes lately... and not just low level ones.. We are talking the cream of the crop.

originally posted by: Jobeycool
CNN is reporting Russian marine was killed during operation to rescue down pilots ofRussian bombers planes.This is getting dangerous.

Yes war zones are inherently dangerous. You cant bomb groups then expect those groups to do nothing.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: SBargisen

Turkey didnt move their border.
Russia violated turkish airspace and ignored the warnings.
As a result a russian fighter jet was lawfully shot down.

actually...they did. it was decades back but they did. i imagine syria does not recognize the new border. but regardless, -what happened be like a state trooper getting shot by a fed trooper for using a federal highway to cross into state territory on the other side of the highway.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

Actually no they did not move their border to justify a shootdown of a russian aircraft as propaganda is claiming. Secondly you dont want the russian list of borders it has moved.