Islam Call To Prayer In America

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

We're not talking about any reader, we're talking about you.

You make the claim, you back it up. It's "easy" according to you, so do it.

Then take it as an unsubstantiated claim. I'll let the reader inform themselves.

LOL ... I'll take it as the overt misrepresentation that it is.

The subject here is whether the Adhan being broadcast (in compliance with local law) is unfair when Christians can't use the state to enforce their religion (in abrogation of the law.)

I'll be glad to debate that.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Gryph even said numerous times it would piss him off as well, and that he would take the necessary action to prevent it.

Yet he's defending it.

I'm defending the Constitution, specifically the First Amendment.

What are you defending, your sensitive ears?

a reply to: Gryphon66

The subject here is whether the Adhan being broadcast is unfair when Christians use the state to enforce their religion.

I must have wandered into the wrong thread then. I could have sworn the thread topic was "Islam call to prayer in America"

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

The subject here is whether the Adhan being broadcast is unfair when Christians use the state to enforce their religion.

I must have wandered into the wrong thread then. I could have sworn the thread topic was "Islam call to prayer in America"

Perhaps you did.

May I suggest in addition to the title you read the first few posts of the thread's creator then?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm defending the Constitution, specifically the First Amendment.

What are you defending, your sensitive ears?

Among others. Also, I was hoping to also speak up for the voiceless non-muslims who live in the area.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

The subject here is whether the Adhan being broadcast is unfair when Christians use the state to enforce their religion.

I must have wandered into the wrong thread then. I could have sworn the thread topic was "Islam call to prayer in America"

Perhaps you did.

May I suggest in addition to the title you read the first few posts of the thread's creator then?

a reply to: Gryphon66

May I suggest in addition to the title you read the first few posts of the thread's creator then?

I did. Your suggestion is unnecessary. Nonetheless, Christianity is mentioned nowhere within it.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm defending the Constitution, specifically the First Amendment.

What are you defending, your sensitive ears?

Among others. Also, I was hoping to also speak up for the voiceless non-muslims who live in the area.

Good lord, they are not "voiceless" by any means. In 2004 some of them spoke out against the measure. In 2009 some complained again.

NYT - Tension in a Michigan City Over Muslims' Call to Prayer, May 5, 2004

Residents complain that ‘call to prayer’ is too loud - The Hamtramck Review

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: sirlancelot
More and more we are seeing Xmas and holidays that are associated with it being censored, muted, or banned in some parts of our country under the premise of not to offend other's, yet 5 times a day this Call to prayer is blasted where everyone in town can hear it.

From the OP.

originally posted by: sirlancelot
Christmas is just once per year yet the celbration is banned while the Adhan is 365 day, 5 times per day! Double standard if you ask me.

From the thread author, a few posts later.


From the thread author, when pressed to explain themselves, etc. etc. etc.

originally posted by: sirlancelot

I wasn't referencing that! I was referencing what is done in public. Schools, Cities, Businesses, Govt facilties, and Military are all having to modify the old norms of Christmas with the PC version called Holidays. Have plenty of links to support this!

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

More and more we are seeing Xmas and holidays that are associated with it being censored, muted, or banned in some parts of our country under the premise of not to offend other's, yet 5 times a day this Call to prayer is blasted where everyone in town can hear it.

Astoundingly pro-Christian rhetoric.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

More and more we are seeing Xmas and holidays that are associated with it being censored, muted, or banned in some parts of our country under the premise of not to offend other's, yet 5 times a day this Call to prayer is blasted where everyone in town can hear it.

Astoundingly pro-Christian rhetoric.

Well, admittedly, I use the full "Christmas" rather than Xmas (which is kinda 1950s) but ... are you really going to argue that the thread author is not contrasting the Muslim Call to Prayer in Dearborn (and Hamtramck) MI with the "rights of Christians" across the country?

If you are, that's absurd. Read the thread.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Well, admittedly, I use the full "Christmas" rather than Xmas (which is kinda 1950s) but ... are you really going to argue that the thread author is not contrasting the Muslim Call to Prayer in Dearborn MI with the "rights of Christians" across the country?

If you are, that's absurd. Read the thread.

I don't see how the two can be compared. I'll let the rest of you argue over such nonsense.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

Well, admittedly, I use the full "Christmas" rather than Xmas (which is kinda 1950s) but ... are you really going to argue that the thread author is not contrasting the Muslim Call to Prayer in Dearborn MI with the "rights of Christians" across the country?

If you are, that's absurd. Read the thread.

I don't see how the two can be compared. I'll let the rest of you argue over such nonsense.

A reasonable post at last.

Star for you.

This is "in the news" again because the Hamtramck Council became 4/2 with Muslim members in the majority for the first time on November 6.

This is being dredged up all over as evidence of the beginning of a Muslim takeover.

The laws were a) not restrictive of the noise levels of the Adhan before but b)were changed in 2004 when Muslims in the community brought it to the town Council for a ruling to be "good neighbors" as they put it.

All the rest is, indeed, much ado.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: sirlancelot

So you have objection to people being called to pray to god?

i do. non-believers shouldn't have that crap rammed down their ear-holes uninvited. and by 'non-believers' i include all faiths, as they are all equally bogus.

This, times a million.
This is 2015.
What's up with religion/superstition?

Black cats
Sidewalk cracks

a reply to: Gryphon66

This is "in the news" again because the Hamtramck Council became 4/2 with Muslim members for the first time on November 6.

This is being dredged up all over as evidence of a Muslim takeover.

The laws were a) not restrictive of the noise levels of the Adhan before but b)were changed in 2004 when Muslims in the community brought it to the town Council for a ruling to be "good neighbors" as they put it.

The Duke case linked in the OP was a little more recent.

a reply to: NowWhat

I agree with you that religions, by and large, are bogus.

This, however, is America, and the Constitution's First Amendment which allows for the free exercise of religion and the prevention of government establishment of same is what allows us to speak our minds in such a fashion ... in the same way it allows Muslims in Michigan to have their Call to Prayer and Christians can have whatever celebrations they want ... just not on public lands, sponsored by local governments.

Easy peasy, really.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I thought you were leaving this argument? LOL.

Yes, the Duke issue was more recent than 2004. Thoughts?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought you were leaving this argument? LOL.

Yes, the Duke issue was more recent than 2004. Thoughts?

No. I said I'd let others argue about the Christmas angle. The issue about the Adhan being heard throughout city streets I will still argue.

I'm glad they didn't allow it for the exact same reason I wish they didn't allow it in the neighbourhoods.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

I thought you were leaving this argument? LOL.

Yes, the Duke issue was more recent than 2004. Thoughts?

No. I said I'd let others argue about the Christmas angle. The issue about the Adhan being heard throughout city streets I will still argue.

I'm glad they didn't allow it for the exact same reason I wish they didn't allow it in the neighbourhoods.

And, as a personal matter, I agree with you, more than likely. I can't judge what I would feel personally, as I don't live there. I would probably go to the town council meetings and rail about being forced to hear superstition being broadcast 5 times a day. Or I might not ... as according to one resident of the area, it's not as loud as some here think.

However, to make the claim that this event which started in 2004 is somehow directly related to the November 6, 2015 election of a 4th Muslim member of the Hamtramck council is just as absurd as claiming that this "old news" relates to living Nativity scenes and football field prayers and baptisms.

Freedom of religion is two fold ... freedom to do it, freedom from it. There has to be a balance.

(Also, Duke is a private university ...)

Emory University in Atlanta, near where I live, is a Methodist University, although it is also, even my my standards, ludicrously liberal.

Everyday, the Chapel bells ring out the hours, and it's kind of cool on days when I can hear it in the distance. On the other hand, when the kids have concerts with hyper-amplified bass during Dooley's Week (an annual celebration) I get annoyed ... even when I like the music.

They've also had the Adhan called some years during "Islamic Awareness Month" ... I've heard that in the distance as well. Kinda weird and exotic at worst.

a reply to: Gryphon66


I have a Yemeni friend who is an atheist, something he had to hide while still living there. The Adhan to him represented his bondage. I admit the Adhan is beautiful, especially in a setting like Jordan, but the principle behind it I cannot stand for.

Freedom of religion is two fold ... freedom to do it, freedom from it. There has to be a balance.

I'm glad you've come around.