What is happening to young people in British Society?

Sheesh wow! video games, tv, lights, needing to whoop peoples arses....

YOU ARE NOT THERE FOR THEM

There is nothing else.

You have theories and punishments and guidelines and cold schools.....

But almost no one is a parent, everyone is a slave to money and when your not, even when you stay at home, you have rituals like some kind of weird Pavlovian scientist, play dates, what media they can see, which just creates hypocrisy

The kids never have adult friends, not one kid in the west spends his bulk time with adult and family members and grows up learning behavior from an adult, they learn from kids, they learn bs in school from TV... but get, if lucky, dinner time with a parent who then uses a lot of the hr to train/punish them....

You people really wonder why in the West children don't trust adults at all and by their teens they have language all their own to get around you?

1-2 hrs a day half of it training created by psychologists mainly to break them to govt standards

Most parents suck, everything you do is for material gain to "buy love" and you never really know them and when you see them it's brush this wipe that.

Half of you want to smack them around more...

Most parents are horrible human beings who never are friends with their kids and they grow up with a horrific sense of "Love", not having 2 parents most often and never communicating and learning from adults and when they do the Adults have terrible habits a lot of the time anyway.

Send them off at 8 on a subway with scary fockers to go to a detention center and be force fed awful books designed and chosen to sculpt them to be who they are told to be 30 kids to one adult who lets face it often is "no winner" anyway, get home at Six choke on dinner have some banal conversation you actually don't give a crap about before lecturing/punishing/ maybe just beating their arse over some dumb thing they did while in detention center (cough) I mean school and send them to bed... buy them sneakers that are cool over the weekend wash rinse and repeat...

who the hell can be normal with that life?

It's not them lol.

a reply to: criticalhit
I heard everything you said and yes, I can see how frustrating it would be.

Parents unfortunately aren't given instruction manuals. Most of them are flying by the seat of their pants. They love their children and they have only their own personal experiences to draw from. What they do or don't do is usually determined by what they felt worked, or didn't work for for them as a child.

Parents sometimes make big mistakes because they think they have to be all things to all people. Like I said, there are no set of instructions, so they have to guess at what people want from them.

Sometimes it works if the guess work is taken out of the equation. Sometimes parents need to be told exactly what their children are feeling. They need to know what makes their children afraid, angry, and what makes them really happy.

Sometimes parents need help. Sometimes they need someone to talk to them and to hold their hand. Sometimes they just need to hear the words.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Yeah, honestly those things are easy in a normal life and mistakes aren't so critical when you have a history of "being there" and a child has a mental record of the time you spent and how great you are when not screwing up.

There is no recipe, just time and love and you need time to love.

And money comes first in our society.

The State prefers us working and them raising them across the board.... and we don't do anything about it.

a reply to: anxiouswens

No, it's not always this way with the "next generation". The US is suffering as well, some of the violence and disregard that's on public display on the Internet is unbelievable. But, when the parents of the perpetrators see the videos, they defend their children's actions. In the past, in America, they would have simply disciplined their children severely. Nowadays they cry foul, discrimination, some type of defense. Even if their child is on video, plain as day, committing a crime, they'll defend him. That's the real difference, terrible parenting.

I think the biggest problem is that in these cases nobody who is a parent "parents". It's not just the kid's peers, TV, videogames, movies, social media, etc. Both parents are working, then they arive home tired out, and either zone out or flop on their face while not wanting to deal with their own kid. What kind of upbringing is that when the kid is neglected? It's not necessarily about discipline (although neglect does play some role in that), but rather who is there to set the example.

When mom and dad aren't doing their job when the kid is at an age where most easily influenced, it's going to show.

I can't speak from the British perspective, since I'm from the states... But I can offer this..

I was a teenager during the early 80s. I can say, with some confidence, that myself nor my brother ever found entertainment in sucker punching adults. We never sold drugs, we never stole money from grandma, and we never abused animals. Look on YouTube and you can see countless videos of children getting thier 15 minutes of fame by being absolute scumbags.

Now, why did I not participate in any of this poor behavior?

Because my father would have BEAT ME HALF TO DEATH. He didn't ask for much, except following the rules and doing what was expected of me as a youngster. I never wanted to break the rules, because he would have beaten the crap out of me. I grew up to be quite successful and well adjusted (I should here point out that out of the 10 kids I grew up with, my brother and I are the only ones who are still alive. Some drug overdoses, one murdered, a few health problems...)

My own son, I caught him after he decided to shop lift from a local corner store. Once I discovered, I tallied up the amount he had stolen (about 7 dollars, if I recall correctly). He was then told to perform chores around my home (lawn mowing, weed the garden, wash dishes) until I felt he had earned 7 dollars. Of course, he had quite a bit to do. He then was escorted by myself to the corner store to apologize to the clerk, and pay for the products he stole. This happened about 12 years ago, and he has done nothing similar since (he is now 24 and still remembers how angry and disappointed I was.) Not exactly Capitol punishment, but he definitely learned his lesson. In my case, my father would have pummeled me. I prefer to be more creative, I guess..

The issue I see is parents who won't accept that their child has failed or made a poor choice.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Every now and again I read a post that makes me sit back and say "Spot on!"
You hit every nail on the head, interesting to note how few responses you got for such a fine post!

a reply to: anxiouswens

Im not in the UK, Im in Australia, and we have the same thing happening. Kids assaulting and abusing old people on pubic transport, teen girls scrapping in public with knives, kids abusing ice and losing it all over the place- etc.

I think a lot of it comes down to bad parenting, some kids just don't have a chance. People these days couldn't give a # where their kids are. The parents are either at work, or would rather their kids entertain themselves.

But, there are parents like me who do give a #- my child respects his elders and knows right from wrong. And all his friends do too. They don't drink and take drugs- they study and do well at school. Most have part time jobs as well.

I have faith in young people generally speaking.

a reply to: VoidHawk

I like TBs posts.

And I agree, in that- young people have been ripped off. In a lot of ways they have it easy compared to their parents but everything has come at a cost. They're not stupid, anyone can see society is crumbling before our very eyes atm.

a reply to: BigOldCaddy

In my case, my father would have pummeled me. I prefer to be more creative, I guess.. The issue I see is parents who won't accept that their child has failed or made a poor choice.

I have 5 brother and 4 sisters. My parents raised us without spankings. I can remember begging to get a spanking, but my parents refused. They said a spanking was over too quickly, so we didn't have chance to really think about what we had done wrong. Creative punishment. My father was the master of it and it usually involved tedious, labor intensive chores. The offending act was never repeated, that's for sure.

Not that we children had a lot of idle time to get into trouble. We lived in the country, so there were chores and responsibilities that kept us busy, and made playtime a treasure, like our toys. When you only have a few toys you treasure each one you have.

All 10 of us turned out okay. All 10 went to college. I can assure you it wasn't easy, but it was a different time. Parents had support. They had family, friends and community. I guess you can say we were raised by a village. Yet all of us children in the community did extremely well for ourselves. So you see creative punishment can work, as long as all the other stuff is there to make it stick.